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Item Researches And Possible Problem For Archer Mythics.

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by motoki1, Mar 28, 2017.

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Do you think this is a problem?

  1. Yes, Archer mythics gotta get buffed.

    80.5%
  2. No, they're already fine as they are.

    18.3%
  3. Yes, but balance (nerf) other mythics.

    1.2%
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  1. coolname2034

    coolname2034 Formerly known as NPCGrian HERO

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    I wish
    And I think this is the first buff archer thread I've seen
     
  2. captainganon

    captainganon God of k | Derpalope VIP+

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    Mythics, the rarest joint you could ever smoke
     
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  3. Twin Lotus

    Twin Lotus Straw Hat VIP+

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    when people say that infused hive bow damage is too high
    think they mean that mythic bow damage is too low
     
  4. Mistrise Mystic

    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls HERO

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    Don't remind me ;-;
     
  5. Salted

    Salted Game Design & Wynncraft Founder Staff Member Admin GM CHAMPION

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    Been a while since I made the mythic bows, but I know mythics aren't necessarely designed to only deal massive amount of damage. I see them more like legendaries with a big personality. Sometimes we try to balance things out by removing damage/health/defense for better IDs, which is probably why mythic bows are strangely enough all lower in DPS.

    I personally like to give a value to everything an item has, including things people often ignore when ranking items (especially at this scale), such as powder slots, skill requirements, set bonuses, etc. so that could be one of the reason as well.
     
  6. Mistrise Mystic

    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls HERO

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    Now back to your cage, we need Corkus out now
     
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  7. captainganon

    captainganon God of k | Derpalope VIP+

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  8. motoki1

    motoki1 The Damage Calculation Scientist HERO

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    Mhm okay, thanks for clearing things out. I already added a part regarding this into the main post.

    But still, I believe there are still enough reasons to balance mythics. There has been some threads about discussing the mythic prices recently, such as this one. https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/mythic-costs.179712/ I hope seeking the market price is one of the fastest ways to see how Mythic items are being utilized among players. (Or Class Builds.)
    Maybe almost all the mythic weapons are already balanced out, people just do not notice how useful all of them are, or haven't figured out how to maximize the outcome for each mythic.
    Now this is real opinions about them, but people keep saying to mythic boots, "Nope."
    Despite of their rarity, they're too useless, making players who got them disappointed. They probably didn't match what players actually wanted, probably because they're too unique, such as Galleon is Earth/Water, which I don't think that many people use.
    Maybe we're just overestimating the power of mythic gears, even though considering the maximum possible IDs that can be implemented to each armors, it is not possible to have better IDs than what they have right now.
    But you know, Boreal is like, the worst. We can at least re-consider the way of Boreal IDs, and hopefully other items as well.
     
  9. HoboMaggot

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  10. Dohdo

    Dohdo I'm back. Cancer in it's purest form.

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    Stratiformis is outstandingly bad? lol your high
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    Exactly, and someone said that strati's 91% ws is horrible
     
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  11. motoki1

    motoki1 The Damage Calculation Scientist HERO

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    I've never said Strati is horrible. Only if not including special IDs, it is bad.
    Even if I try to include that, it heavily depends on who use the special ID. So if the weapon was rated bad in the table, it doesn't mean they're totally bad only because of the damage. It still has their own special IDs to counter the damage disadvantage, as Salted said.
    What I tried to say at the first time is, Archer mythic damage are outstandingly bad compared to other classes' ones. Their rarities are too concentrated into special IDs.
    Also, you can easily notice Grandmother (and Ignis) is bad. Just look at other classes' same elemental mythics. Grimtrap? Higher damage than Grandmother, not even having big negative regen, but it has crazy amount of lifesteal!
    I'm here to talk about balancing Damage-ID facts, not just bullying some specific mythics.
     
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  12. Dohdo

    Dohdo I'm back. Cancer in it's purest form.

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    I would rather unique properties for weapons, in a sense that they dont rely on damage.
     
  13. motoki1

    motoki1 The Damage Calculation Scientist HERO

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    Yea, that's probably what we want. Archer mythics are actually good designed in terms of their personalities.
    We now gotta move onto the debate of nerfing crazy damage mythics.
     
  14. Zepic

    Zepic I Don’t Know What to Put HERO

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    Hmm Cata?
     
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    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls HERO

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    Cata is balanced, It's hard to boost it's damage without ending up at 1 HP
     
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    Czg Illness in progress VIP+

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    Basically we need a new mythic thunder bow
     
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  17. Pokextreme

    Pokextreme Avos Air Archer HERO

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    I would actually prefer nerfing the current mythics as opposed to buffing the archer mythics. The archer mythics are how I feel mythics should be. Not massive ammounts more damage, but a quirk, that people would tell tales about for ages, and thus, mythics. I feel that solely just "High Damage" should just be reserved for mythics like cata/alka
     
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  18. Saya

    Saya you win at uwynn HERO

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  19. BuffAirSpear

    BuffAirSpear Avos Air Assassin HERO

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    Lol why would you have to actually boost up dmg a lot? At base it already deals more than enough. If you go tanky with it you can still deal pretty high dmg and have quite a bit of health ._.
     
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  20. motoki1

    motoki1 The Damage Calculation Scientist HERO

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    Yeah, this build has been too successful...
    The price has been already crazily high just as Strati, so nerfing Cata would cause some problems. They would't nerf Cata just to get flamed from all Cata users.. or would they
     
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