Item Patch 1.19.4 Changelog And Feedback Thread

Alright for actual feedback, health regen should be reworked, because this change broke many builds with -health regen, and made a lot of +regen builds OP.

 

not stolen from dondasch

 

What's meant by this, is that thorns and reflection will still factor in defenses when calculating their damage. The changes to Thorns and Reflection ID values on items will remain and still go ingame, however.

 

Poor Grandmother :(

 

Here after playing around on wynndata are some of my thoughts on alot of the changes.

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Nice changes to resurgence and lament both of those where very needed! As for mythics the powers of boreal and ignis are concerning to me personally (guardian prob is fine tbh)

Personally I would rather have seen nighthawk's hp get nuked over a removal of first spell but regardless its a good change and the item might actually be balanced now :)

cancer looks like a really strong hpr support item now so that's really cool.

Aries I found seems to work super well in ewa and is now as nearly as good as unravel. I personally think the strength req is a bit too high (I think 45 and agility 55 would be better)

no mana on unravel :( but i mean more damage so meh

is Elysium gonna get a raw melee buff every patch for the rest of eternity :)

also why the hell did conduit of spirit get a minor buff lol

BOOSTER PLATE YESSSS

Mana steal on frontliner seems really weird and random but okay I guess.

Why can't the new Gemini be a new item ;( the item looks weird but interesting but I like my rainbow defs :(

sagi buffs and greave of veneer buffs seem really epic!

DARK SHROUD HOLY CRAP ALK;J;SD'PLGKJAOPI;'GEJKGI;PO'SPO; WTF
honestly these look really freaking cool. I wouldnt go as far to as as they are broken as they are just a really good sp item. They look super cool and I think will add alot to t/a building.

haha virgo buff funny

achilles buff intresting

I couldn't help but notice the ventus tail buff. seems cool but given its level maybe a bit good?

PLAGUE BUFFS LETS GOOOOO

Okay the new ignition looks really freaking cool! I am super super hyped to try this one out.

Contrast buffs also look really nice. Don't see why the hp was changed even tho its a buff but hey looks really cool!

momentum seems really weird though...I honestly don't think its any better than it is now but okay.

YAY OLD KEEPERS ISN'T BASE FREAKIN 5 ANYMORE DO AQUA NEXT!! I do want to say that I don't think old keeper's is overpowered personally. I think the only nerf it could use is just one more raw hpr nerf to hurt you when not in combat.

thank god for azure halo buffs. After messing around with it I still think its underpowered but it is 100% better than before at least. (give it some sp imo)

ambertoise shell looks really neat I look forward to trying it out in an earth tank.

soarfae buffs yay. for a rare it looks alright. Not particularly amazing but at least useful now :)

starglass seems kinda weird. I like the look of it but it doesn't feel like it stands out at all as a good choice for a water chestplate to me.

darkiron cancel stack time :)

dreamclot buffs yayy!

I must ask on coal duster why the nerf? It already in my personal opinion, was not particularly good in builds I tried it with. Like the item just feels kinda meh already to me.

The golem actually is like useful now! That makes me happy cuz of the mindless amount of times I get them in item bombs :)

Leictreach makani buffs seem really freaking nice

Efteling seems like LOONOR LEGGINGS. I am super super hyped to try these out and see what weirdness I can achive (haven't played to much on wynndata with them yet)

ehoole drakeskin seems like an actually nice pair of late game/endgame mana leggings!

shaggy boots buff? weird but okay :)

removing the melee % on mantlewalkers feels to me like a nerf to an item that already was kinda underwhelming in my opinion however the 40% in damage I suppose could be quite...interesting in certain builds.

I like wind mimic. Walkspeed and mana steal seem really cool

overall I like it epic patch!

 

You actual madlad, you actually listened.

 

MEET ME IN HUNTED MODE =)

Oh kk (*phew*)

 

dizzy spell, 88 ea leggings
nuance, 90 ta leggings
frenzied mockery, 90 tf boots
virtuoso, 94 wa boots
signal flare 85 fa boots
demon tide, 87 tf leggings

Are those right? These are probably the new items.

 

New items:


Demon Tide: Meant to have the spell costs previously shown to us I've heard, apparently the file was botched.
Virtuoso: Ridiculously busted. Memento plus skill points with close to double Memento's damage, with a bit more punishing of a spellsteal downside, with no ele def penalty. Imo it should either get damages halved, or go to 1 mana regen.
Frenzied Mockery: Really nice to see a raw spell option. Great damages and a mana steal, though no skill points. I expect it to see regular use.
Signal Flare: I mean it's not really that bad, but the damage does seem slightly lower than what I would expect to see given the other stats. Compare to Grillface.
Nuance: I wouldn't expect it to see use. Maybe a few extremely situational last resorts in TFA.
Dizzy Spell: Pretty nice, good power and utility. I would expect it to see nice use in EFA.

 

Virtuoso is incredibly ridiculous; imo it's closer to capri with 3-4x as much damage and better ele def at the cost of 3 sp and -ms...there's almost no reason to use capri anymore unless you have no +ms and can't use your weapon powder special.

Memento is still relevant because there are no other fire mr boots.

For real though, virtuoso needs to have no mr or 1/3 the damages (but then its just a capri clone so idk). Or was it supposed to have huge+spell cost or something?

 

Imo Virtuoso would be best off going to 1mr and losing a little bit of health. This should give it a niche that has uses but doesn't crowd out Capri and other options.

 

I swear virtusso looks so godamn busted its going to singlehandely make hybrid inferior until its nerf

 

Of these six new items
Demon tide seems really strange and I am not really sure where I would use it :/ (however if it has spell costs as druser says then it may bne good however the -spell does feel like a bit much to me personally however who knows that the -spell costs are on it yet.)
Virtuoso should lose it's mana regen then its good. or nerf mana steal even more. having super high spell leggings though is really cool so don't nerf damages just nerf the mana imo.
Frenzied mockery seems neat and I think will be insane in some heavy hybrid builds.
Signal flare looks really cool for e/f/a builds or some weird f/a hybrid weirdness. Damage does feel kinda meh tho.
Nuance actually looks really cool to me. I totally see myself trying this out in a t/f/a fast hybrid. I will say though the damages do seem a little low and the item does seem to lack direction in terms of what its going for. However one mana regen without intel is quite nice.
Dizzy spell seems really freaking cool and super fun in tierstack e/t/a builds and is (along with virtuoso) one of my favorite items this patch.

 

With 1mr it still has around the same damage as sizzling, but also with +16 sp 1mr and no -hpr. IMO it could have 1mr if it lost the +sp too, to keep closer to a WA sizzling(no melee instead of -hpr) role than a capri clone/better spell cinderchain for WA.

Edit: also why is large lapis still the same, it has 0 downsides in tfa

 

Virtusso https://wynndata.tk/ci/216495465
dizzy spell https://wynndata.tk/ci/487292835
frenzied mockery https://wynndata.tk/ci/977397060
signal flare https://wynndata.tk/ci/324011330
nuance https://wynndata.tk/ci/780446116
demon tide https://wynndata.tk/ci/869439231

 

literally the worst designs since gavel release lol

 

Fair point - Virtuoso's damage is not at where Sizzling Shawl is (except maybe on especially low base damage wands, stuff like Compiler and whatnot) but it's fairly close and doesn't have Shawl's downsides so you're probably right that it could do with losing the mana.

 

wait where's tig

 

HEALTH BUFF POGGERS....... i don't run any builds that are particularly affected by the item changes but lament buff after 5000 years is so good