Info Item Id Rounding Changes: Could Break Builds! Please Read!

Guide: How Identifications Are Calculated.


There is a 101 sided dice for positive stats with the values 30 to 130 on its sides. There is also a dice for negative stats which has 61 sides with the values -130 to -70 on its sides. The item identifier rolls either of this dice. The following procedure is used to calculate the id of a stat a certain item gets:

round ( ( dice-roll-outcome × base stat value) / 100 )


The old rounding system used:
rounding up towards infinity

• -5.99 to -5.00 is rounded up to -5
• -4.99 to -4.00 is rounded up to -4
• -3.99 to -3.00 is rounded up to -3
• -2.99 to -2.00 is rounded up to -2
• -1.99 to -1.00 is rounded up to -1
• -0.99 to 0.00 is rounded up to 0
• 0.01 to 1.00 is rounded up to 1
  
• 1.01 to 2.00 is rounded up to 2
  
• 2.01 to 3.00 is rounded up to 3
• 3.01 to 4.00 is rounded up to 4
  
• 4.01 to 5.00 is rounded up to 5

The new rounding system used is either:
round half towards positive infinity

• -5.50 to -4.49 is rounded up/down to -5
• -4.50 to -3.49 is rounded up/down to -4
• -3.50 to -2.49 is rounded up/down to -3
• -2.50 to -1.49 is rounded up/down to -2
• -1.50 to -0.49 is rounded up/down to -1
• -0.50 to 0.49 is rounded up/down to 0
• 0.50 to 1.49 is rounded up/down to 1
  
• 1.50 to 2.49 is rounded up/down to 2
  
• 2.50 to 3.49 is rounded up/down to 3
• 3.50 to 4.49 is rounded up/down to 4
  
• 4.50 to 5.49 is rounded up/down to 5

or:
rounding half away from zero

• -5.49 to -4.50 is rounded up/down to -5
• -4.49 to -3.50 is rounded up/down to -4
• -3.49 to -2.50 is rounded up/down to -3
• -2.49 to -1.50 is rounded up/down to -2
• -1.49 to -0.50 is rounded up/down to -1
• -0.49 to 0.49 is rounded up/down to 0
• 0.50 to 1.49 is rounded up/down to 1
  
• 1.50 to 2.49 is rounded up/down to 2
  
• 2.50 to 3.49 is rounded up/down to 3
• 3.50 to 4.49 is rounded up/down to 4
  
• 4.50 to 5.49 is rounded up/down to 5

 

we sure did. also im curious how all the people who bought item bombs with real money feel now that those items are diminished in quality. good timing on that one EA.

 

Use memento and third eye for helmets and replace summa with moon pool.

 

nah

 

memento and third eye have less spell dmg and moon pool has int req

 

I know but his old build isn't viable and if you're making a mana build I think you'll have at least a little bit of int.

 

well yeah if its a water build

 

If you're gonna make a warp/mana build I'd expect it to be at least half a water build.

 

true

 

A dex/str/def 2/4 mana ring with a int mana ring. Okay

 

i hope this is a joke

 

Do you have any other suggestions?

 

Nope. That's the problem.

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sarcasm is really hard to express through text. :<
or is it sarcasm?

 

I could understand less SPs for the ring, but 2/4 mr on a no req ring that anyone could get (not old concs) was a very big boost to builds that otherwise wouldn't have been viable due to lack of any spell capabilities. Now that concs (which has ruined the market for those who invested in them) and summa are gone, non spell builds are going to crumble. This change has made dungeon items the new meta of the build section. With changes coming so often (bless god jp) only items with a *somewhat* fixed value are invaluable. Take for instance centipede. It has been the only item with +attack speed that was unaffected by the patch. It will remain a powerhouse of melee builds because of this, but Coi, burnout, etc. have likely died. Just a few minutes ago I was looking at a previously +6 attack speed build go to a +4 because of these items. Dungeon items will rein supreme in the coming weeks unless another change is made.

 

Even just +1 attack tier is extremely powerful due to the fact that it compounds your melee damage multiple times over. Just being able to get +6 like that is crazy.

You said it yourself, 2 mana regen on a no req RING, the WEAKEST ARCHETYPE OF ITEM IN THE GAME, was a very big and easy boost. Far too big of one. Ever notice how the Hive water reward included a 2 mana ring with a relatively restrictive cost

 

Quick question, what do you think is the most amount of Mana Regen a spell build should have?

 

One word: Cancer

YES! Why not add a 20/20/20 str/def/dex requirement! THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC!!!! Then having 2/4 mr and maybe even 3-6 in dex/def/str instead (like a str/dex/def focused prism only with -defenses and -hp regen instead of -650 raw hp) would be warranted! The -hp regen and -thunder/fire defs are not worth getting the item for anymore since its only attractions are gone. Give it something worth looking at ;)

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The WORST part about this is that my Vampiric Plague build (fire melee archer using cancer and plague [obviously] ) still works, albeit *somewhat* less effectively.

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@Selvut283 I like the rounding update DESPITE the negative affects on a multitude of items, but I am passionate about changing these items rather than nerfing them 6 feet under. You say that the rounding was meant to stop these items from getting the stats they did, but without some of these critical stats, They simply have no one that will use them. Rather than letting these items die, it should be important that we see changes to them that improve gameplay and builds, without being meta changing. Summas were very very powerful for a 0 req ring. Without that 2/4 and hefty pool of stats though, it is better to just use finesse or as stated moon pool. Having lots of options is better than 1 (moon pool).

 

About the 1 tier attack speed, I may sound stupid but have you considered adding more attack speed tiers while still keeping a max of 4.3 hits per second? like adding a Semi-Fast or Semi-Slow attack speed. With this, the difference between 1 and 2 attack speed tiers won't be as significant as it is now. This way, items could stay with 2 attack speed tiers while not being completely and utterly op. This would probably be a lot of coding but may be an interesting idea.

Of course I'm probably missing something blatantly obvious here though.

 

All ~2500 items in the game were balanced around the 7 attack speeds, adding more attack speed tiers, even if they're inbetween, just seems unnecessary and would be quite a hassle.