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Info Item Id Rounding Changes: Could Break Builds! Please Read!

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Hello, I figured I should be the one to mention this, since I was the one most adamant about the change and was the one who pushed for it.

-Item rounding has been changed to accurate rounding
-If your inventory is full, items that you do not have the skill requirements to use will remain equipped until space is made. You will be constantly notified of the skill discrepancy until the item is unequipped. The items will not give you their stats and IDs, either.

View attachment 120926
These messages will appear every few seconds that you wear an item that you gain no effects from.

Now, the main issue here is that first point, and some explanation is due. We're probably all aware of items such as Concentration or Chestplate of Ineptitude that give Mana Regen and other effects. These can roll up to a 2, despite normal rounding conventions. Similarly, items such as Galleon with a -1 can round to nothing. Why is that?

The system worked as such:

For POSITIVE IDENTIFICATIONS: Multiply base value by .3-1.3x, round number up
So, for instance, an ID of 15, if you rolled a 1.1, would become 16.5, which would round up to a value of 17.
The issue here is it always rounded up, meaning situations such as
1*1.01=1.01, round to 2
were possible, making certain items extremely powerful, much more than they had the right to be.

For NEGATIVE IDENTIFICATIONS: Multiply base value by 0.7-1.3x, round number down
So, for instance, an ID of 15, if you rolled a 1.1, would become 16.5, which would round DOWN to a value of 16.
The issue here is that there was no minimum value, meaning situations such as
1*0.99=0.99, round to 0
were possible, making certain items and effects completely null, buffing the item by proxy.

We're all aware of how a +1 tier Chestplate of Ineptitude was considered so weak compared to a +2 tier, or how a -1 tier Galleon was useless compared to a 0 tier. This was unintentional and should not have happened.

The new system:

For POSITIVE IDENTIFICATIONS: Multiply base value by .3-1.3x, round number as necessary. If value is less than 1, round to 1
So, for instance, an ID of 11, if you rolled a 1.3, would become 14.3, which would round DOWN to a value of 14. Before, this would be a 15.

For NEGATIVE IDENTIFICATIONS: Multiply base value by 0.7-1.3x, round number as necessary. If value is less than 1, round to 1
So for instance, an ID of 1, if you rolled a 0.7, would become 0.7, which would round UP to a value of 1. Before, this ID wouldn't appear on the item.

This means that not only will certain IDs on items change to reflect the new rounding changes, identifications that did not appear previously such as the -1 tier on Galleon WILL APPEAR. This does not extend to only new Galleons, either. The ID is still on current items, it's just too low to appear visually. But with these changes, the item will now be affected with its -1.

Some examples:

View attachment 120924
Before, Morph-Topaz could obtain +2 in its skill points if you got an above-average roll.
View attachment 120922
Before, Concentration could obtain +2 mana regen with an above-average roll.
View attachment 120923
Before, Galleon could be found without an Attack Speed penalty.

While the new changes regarding item de-equipping should prevent item loss, please note that depending on the items you use, your builds may break, especially if they are heavily dependent on skill point boosts! Hopefully this will greatly aid the balance of the game overall and help the economy as various items will no longer be seen as valueless.

-jpresent and Selvut283
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I don't understand the math but good for you two

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damn, guess I finally have a reason to use something other than Mummy's Rag.
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Why are we being blessed with so many amazing changes in such a short amount of time, this is like an early christmas gift

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I don't understand the math but good for you two
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Essentially, if a positive ID had a decimal, it would round up. If a negative ID had a decimal, it would round down.

Now, it rounds normally, where 0.49 and less rounds down, and 0.5 or more rounds up.

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Wait so like was conc and topaz not meant to have have like 2/4 mr or potentially 2 sp? Im pretty confused :/

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this seems important but i'm not sure if it is

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Selvut283 said: ↑

Hello, I figured I should be the one to mention this, since I was the one most adamant about the change and was the one who pushed for it.

-Item rounding has been changed to accurate rounding
-If your inventory is full, items that you do not have the skill requirements to use will remain equipped until space is made. You will be constantly notified of the skill discrepancy until the item is unequipped. The items will not give you their stats and IDs, either.

View attachment 120926
These messages will appear every few seconds that you wear an item that you gain no effects from.

Now, the main issue here is that first point, and some explanation is due. We're probably all aware of items such as Concentration or Chestplate of Ineptitude that give Mana Regen and other effects. These can roll up to a 2, despite normal rounding conventions. Similarly, items such as Galleon with a -1 can round to nothing. Why is that?

The system worked as such:

For POSITIVE IDENTIFICATIONS: Multiply base value by .3-1.3x, round number up
So, for instance, an ID of 15, if you rolled a 1.1, would become 16.5, which would round up to a value of 17.
The issue here is it always rounded up, meaning situations such as
1*1.01=1.01, round to 2
were possible, making certain items extremely powerful, much more than they had the right to be.

For NEGATIVE IDENTIFICATIONS: Multiply base value by 0.7-1.3x, round number down
So, for instance, an ID of 15, if you rolled a 1.1, would become 16.5, which would round DOWN to a value of 16.
The issue here is that there was no minimum value, meaning situations such as
1*0.99=0.99, round to 0
were possible, making certain items and effects completely null, buffing the item by proxy.

We're all aware of how a +1 tier Chestplate of Ineptitude was considered so weak compared to a +2 tier, or how a -1 tier Galleon was useless compared to a 0 tier. This was unintentional and should not have happened.

The new system:

For POSITIVE IDENTIFICATIONS: Multiply base value by .3-1.3x, round number as necessary. If value is less than 1, round to 1
So, for instance, an ID of 11, if you rolled a 1.3, would become 14.3, which would round DOWN to a value of 14. Before, this would be a 15.

For NEGATIVE IDENTIFICATIONS: Multiply base value by 0.7-1.3x, round number as necessary. If value is less than 1, round to 1
So for instance, an ID of 1, if you rolled a 0.7, would become 0.7, which would round UP to a value of 1. Before, this ID wouldn't appear on the item.

This means that not only will certain IDs on items change to reflect the new rounding changes, identifications that did not appear previously such as the -1 tier on Galleon WILL APPEAR. This does not extend to only new Galleons, either. The ID is still on current items, it's just too low to appear visually. But with these changes, the item will now be affected with its -1.

Some examples:

View attachment 120924
Before, Morph-Topaz could obtain +2 in its skill points if you got an above-average roll.
View attachment 120922
Before, Concentration could obtain +2 mana regen with an above-average roll.
View attachment 120923
Before, Galleon could be found without an Attack Speed penalty.

While the new changes regarding item de-equipping should prevent item loss, please note that depending on the items you use, your builds may break, especially if they are heavily dependent on skill point boosts! Hopefully this will greatly aid the balance of the game overall and help the economy as various items will no longer be seen as valueless. A timeframe for this update was not given, so I wanted to give as much warning as possible regarding this. JP will post an announcement when this goes live.

-jpresent and Selvut283
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wait so CoI will have 1 tier attackspeed (and conc 1 mana) at max? well shit rip my melee build then

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wait so CoI will have 1 tier attackspeed (and conc 1 mana) at max? well shit rip my melee build then
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Yep! Items with a base of 1 was never meant to be +2 and items with -1 was never meant to be zeroed out.

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Yep! Items with a base of 1 was never meant to be +2 and items with -1 was never meant to be zeroed out.
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Stycore said: ↑

well shit rip my melee build then
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Selvut283 said: ↑

Essentially, if a positive ID had a decimal, it would round up. If a negative ID had a decimal, it would round down.

Now, it rounds normally, where 0.49 and less rounds down, and 0.5 or more rounds up.
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Now I get it. Sort of

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Aaaaaa rip man regen ;-; gotta change most of my builds now ;o i hope that ll be a fun challange and not an annoying one... x)

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So all my concentration now will become all +1 mr instead of +2 ???
:'(

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Why are we being blessed with so many amazing changes in such a short amount of time, this is like an early christmas gift
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Because, believe it or not, we do hear your concerns and wants, and do act on them. We're just really sorry it took so long.

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Because, believe it or not, we do hear your concerns and wants, and do act on them. We're just really sorry it took so long.
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and i can assure that most of us appreciate all the hard work <3

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From all this news this week, there is nothing about the new update :(
but still nice news though
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what if
the new update was this insane bug fix wave?
they fucking fixed half guilds
they only have wars left

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Man, most of you guys got screwed over. Meanwhile all of this is just going pass me without harming me! XD

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I always wondered why it was never rounded normally.

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guess what
Melee will be trash now
6tier is gone
Only centipede will now have 2tier
rip 1 stack spent on melee builds
;-;

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guess what
Melee will be trash now
6tier is gone
Only centipede will now have 2tier
rip 1 stack spent on melee builds
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Melee was broken overpowered...

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