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Is Lament Bad? (as A Mythic, Not As A Wand)

Discussion in 'Class Builds' started by enecks, Dec 21, 2018.

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is lament good?

  1. yes (send proof rn)

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  2. no

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  1. Selvut283

    Selvut283 Circadian rhythm stuck on Tokyo time ♪ Music GM

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    Lament is far from bad. It's capable of hitting very high damage totals with its spells, the high mana steal practically makes mana regen unnecessary in combat scenarios, and the high water damage essentially invalidates the negative life steal by giving you such a powerful, low-cost heal. It's great for acting as both a damaging and support-acting wand for parties.

    Trick is I've noticed a lot of people using spell items seem to forget that they're capable of left-clicking without trying to cast spells.
     
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    Shots Legendary Adventurer HERO

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    Warchief lament
    You have ascended
     
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    by2011 category creator VIP+

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    you want to see what the majority of the community thinks. so, multiple community members convince other community members to vote for a certain thing.

    let's say in a country that's having an election, you're seeing who (between 2 candidates) is more popular, so you have a poll. the voters will and should discuss with each other which candidate is better
    how so?
    -its meteors out damage monster, old singu, not quite fatal (lament has higher dps because mana and powder specials), pure, i don't know what warp does in terms of damage but it definitely has higher dps, gaia is hard to compare, every legendary except glassy thunder hive wand
    -far more mana than all the other aforementioned wands
    -5k heals compared to, like, 3k heals on things like fatal
     
  4. enecks

    enecks Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    its a good wand, but its not as good as other water mythics (even some other mythics)
     
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    10k meteor wouldnt say so if you are trying Mana steal wich is basically denied by the lifesteal you need to heal
    and to heal you use time and MANA so you are losing mana and time for meteors


    Out damages monster? theres a reason why is monster cheaper but still will win in a 1v1 duel because lament cant touch it
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    its a 10k meteor glass can
     
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    https://wynndata.tk/s/hnSOCc reposting from ceciliya, but stable defenses + 13.6k meteors

    alright, now, a couple of things
    -you have to melee in order to charge curse anyway
    -you have -300 lifesteal, but you also have so much mana (14/4ms, 1/4mr, 129int) that casting a heal here and there doesn't hurt your overall dps at all
     
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    pure is good
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    lmfao 1 mr
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    i wont even respond to that
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    i guess its proven that skill points in Intel dont really give you intelligence
     
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    14/4 MANA STEAL

    let's say you're fighting cybel

    oh, i'm out of mana, here's what happens:

    left click onto a bunch of disintegrators

    gain 14 mana

    lose 250 hp

    heal, uses 2 mana

    now you have 12/4 mana + 129 int to do whatever tf you want
     
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  9. Shots

    Shots Legendary Adventurer HERO

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    1. You just did respond to it.
    2. Pure is indeed good but that isn't at all related to the discussion at hand.
    3. You only say lament is bad because you're mana regen happy. You ignore everything else outside of mr because you refuse to accept mana steal in this scenario is much better than mana regen.
     
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    1k hp? can you count?
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    manasteal you guys say? Lifesteal welcome home instant 1 hp
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    anyways most of you havent touched any mythic other than lament if you have you would quit this allready
     
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    proc mana steal, say, 3 times
    proc life steal say 3 times

    lament has, on average, -300 lifesteal

    -300*3 = 900

    round up because i'm nice
     
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    wait did u just say pure is good
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    have you used one mythic in your life or what?
     
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    CountBurn Hackysack?

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    your wrong
     
  14. Shots

    Shots Legendary Adventurer HERO

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    Where in hell did you read 1k hp.
    It's 10k.
    Also it has -210/4s ls.
    Which is the equivalent of ~1/8th of what one singular pulse from heal can do.
    I used pure for a decent amount of time and it was perfectly fine at it's level. Is it worth buying at that level on the other hand not really, as ethereal is also very good and much cheaper as an option at that level. Now stop talking about pure and actually focus on the discussion at hand.
     
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  15. CactyOP

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    Tseries please read the last 3 comments before mine get a mythic get to Know other mythics and stop wasting other peoples time
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    and dont forget to read the name of the thread its very important before you keep on typing
     
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    something extra on lament since you like to ignore everything that you can't argue against

    -300 lifesteal (let's just say)
    10k hp

    you'd need to proc lifesteal 30 times in order to lose that much mana

    mana steal has 37.5% chance of proccing i believe

    you would need to hit 80 mobs to lose 9000 hp with lament, not to mention items can counter the lifesteal quite easily (you can throw drain into quite a few builds while retaining damage or usability)


    yes, the name of the title addresses lament compared to other mythics

    which i just did

    i'll remind you:
    lament has a higher dps (i did meteor damage but dps is more important tbh) than
    15 t6 thunder singu
    MAYBE w6 13 t6 w6 singu (mana)
    t6 t6 thunder fatal
    MAYBE w6 w6 fatal (mana)
    pure
    warp
    monster

    gaia can't really be compared to spell

    also, i have touched multiple mythics other than lament, thank you very much

    tl;dr,
    don't bring up the same points that have already been countered (lifesteal, comparison vs other mythics wands)
    insult is not a good method of argumentation
     
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  17. Shots

    Shots Legendary Adventurer HERO

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    I read the name of the title. I see you try to ignore me and it's quite hilarious really. The discussion at hand is Lament.
    If I'm wasting your time you're also wasting mine. I consider this mutual.
    I read the last 3 comments because I've responded to them. I guess you didn't notice that part because you're too ignorant to see it?
     
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  18. Tek

    Tek Profficient and gallant. Wise yet inscrutable

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    it’s hilarious how u guys are talking like competitive CS:GO players in minecraft
     
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    after reading all this I kinda wanna buy a lament lol
     
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    Shots Legendary Adventurer HERO

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    Welcome to trying to have a legitimate argument with people.
    Oh wait you're implying we're toxic nvm.
    @PewDiePie Ima tell my fans to comment "frick you" on your videos if you don't tell them to sub to me!!!!!!
     
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