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Guide How Damage Is Calculated.

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Miles_Plays_MC said: ↑

The spell values we've been given could have also been faked, possibly rendering this useless. I'd ask someone of high authority who would know about this to see if it's the spell multipliers, or the spell values which are fake.
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wtf do you mean by "its faked"?

and how did you even find out the "real" numbers?
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I might have some error in those, like ±0.05, but using the old numbers we had didn't fit completely to in game actual damage. So I figured out these are the real numbers instead. Trial and Error, you can trust me a bit more.

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was buffed to 20% per hit 10 times in the update
also a 100% punch at the end as an 11th
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Thanks! I'll add it to the list, I'm going to test that later.

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Miles_Plays_MC said: ↑

I was gonna make a similar thread relating to this in a few days. RIP. I also think that dex might not be working on spin attack if this is correct, because your calculations seem very accurate if the dex buff is not applied. I deal around 8.6k damage per spin attack normally {including raw spell damage} and this says that I should average 8.4k thunder damage, so it's quite accurate if there is a spin attack glitch.
Also, for elemental defence, I think it is
raw elemental defence. e.g. 400 thunder, x % elemental defence boost. If you have +45% thunder defence, then multiply 400 by 1.45 = 580. A weapon's DPS isn't affected by any external buffs, and only the base damage and spell multiplier. {with the exception of powder buffs} I think you take away your elemental defence from your average DPS. So if I deal 1000 thunder DPS and my opponent has 580 thunder defence, then I will have 580 thunder DPS removed and I will deal 420DPS instead of 580DPS, so 58% of my DPS is removed. That is just a theory of mine which has seemed pretty accurate so far.
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Thanks for the reply :3
At your first opinion, can you tell me more about that glitch, or my formula flaws? I want to know what's wrong with spin attack.
And thanks for telling me the possible way of defense calculation, your explanation seems pretty reasonable. I might refer your opinion when I'm going to figure out about defense. Hopefully, someday.

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Endertricity said: ↑

You forgot to add the raw 233 spell damage you had, so that's why your bomb arrow did about 200 more neutral damage than you calculated.

Other than that:
Wow! That's amazing!
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Ah yea xD
I completely forgot about that, I couldn't notice cuz I was too hurrying to complete the thread.
I'm gonna fix about that on the thread. And thanks :3

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Hey, there was a big update already!
I'm truly sorry that I forgot Raw Spell Damage was one of the visual glitches, apparently I got deceived by the system.
Now I added 3-3. Raw Damage section, so please read it!

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Tbh idgaf to how it calculates, I just have to know how to maximize it. Anyway at least how those damages come from now ty.

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Just listed all the Spell Multipliers for each spells and classes!
Tell me if there was anything wrong with the numbers.

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O my a wall of text of confusing math, no pls

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Miles_Plays_MC said: ↑

The spell values we've been given could have also been faked, possibly rendering this useless. I'd ask someone of high authority who would know about this to see if it's the spell multipliers, or the spell values which are fake.
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I don't remember who it was exactly that gave us the numbers originally, but one of the GMs like @Tantibus would know.

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I don't remember who it was exactly that gave us the numbers originally, but one of the GMs like @Tantibus would know.
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We were also "given" the numbers for the spell multipliers, but they could be wrong too. The spell damages or the spell multipliers could be wrong.

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How Damage is Calculated
A guide thread by @motoki1

Hello wynncrafters, it's me again!
This time, I tried to figure out the damage calculation formula in game so hard, so I'll try summarize it up in this thread.

Before you read
I'm going to explain about damage calculation from scratch, so this is gonna be a pretty long thread. I'm sorry that I don't have much summarization skills. Prepare yourself.
And, this is not an official guide of wynncraft, or a complete guide for the calculation, so please don't blame me too much when I was wrong. However, you can point out the wrong points, your helps are pretty much appreciated.

Table of Contents
1. A few things you need to know

1-1. Base Damage
1-2. Attack Speed Boost
1-3. Spell Multiplier
1-4. Identification Boost
1-5. Raw Damage
2. Melee Damage
3. Spell Damage

3-1. Neutral Damage
3-2. Elemental Damage
3-3. Raw Damage
4. After Writing / Future Plans

1. A few things you need to know
Before looking into the formula I found and calculate the damage you do, there are some parameters which you will need to know.
There are 5 types of parameters, so I'm going to introduce one by one.

1-1. Base Damage
Base Damage is the base of any damage you may inflict, and it is pretty easy to know.
To know your Base Damage, just look into your weapon in game.
There are 2 types of Base Damage, Neutral Damage and Elemental Damage.
✣ Neutral Damage is shown literally in your weapon.
And there are 5 types of Elemental Damage as most of you know;
✤ Earth, ✦ Thunder, ❉ Water, ✹ Fire, and ❋ Air, they're shown literally as well.
Make sure you take notes of each kinds of damage.

Example:

Base Damage of "Gale's Force"
Neutral Base Damage: 120-150
Air Base Damage: 120-150
(which means 120 is the lowest, 150 is the highest.)
Hold on the bolded numbers.

1-2. Attack Speed Boost
Many might know about this; Damage is heavily depended on the attack speed.
You can know attack speed of your weapon by looking into them again.
You'll need to know the exact multiplying numbers for each Attack Speeds.
There are 7 kinds of Attack Speeds;
Super Fast > Very Fast > Fast > Normal > Slow > Very Slow > Super Slow.
Some of you might know these numbers;

Super Fast: 4.0
Very Fast: 3.3
Fast: 2.6
Normal: 2.0
Slow: 1.3
Very Slow: 0.7
Super Slow: 0.5

But don't trust it, it's TOTALLY faked.
To find the right numbers, it took me 6 hours of effort.
These are the true Attack Speed Boost numbers.

Super Fast: 4.3
Very Fast: 3.1
Fast: 2.5
Normal: 2.05
Slow: 1.5
Very Slow: 0.83
Super Slow: 0.51

Example:

Attack Speed of Gale's Force -> Very Fast
Attack Speed Boost of Very Fast -> 3.1
Hold on the bolded number.

1-3. Spell Multiplier
This one is important because it depends on what spells you use, they're different spell by spell.
They can be divided into 2 kinds of multipliers; Base Multiplier and Elemental Multiplier. I'll explain how they actually work in the Spell Damage section, so hold on about that.
They can basically be obtained from the help page of official website, but the information shown there is pretty old and wrong. So we need to figure out the current actual Spell Multipliers.
Some spells do damage 2 or 3 times, or even 10 times. So it is important to understand how the spell actually works in game, and calculate them.
Here, I'll put the list of Spell Multiplier.

When you see "Damage" at last of the numbers, they're Base Multipliers.
And when you see Elemental names like "Neutral", "Earth", they're Elemental Multipliers.

Assassin
Spin Attack (6 mana)
200% Damage
35% Thunder

Vanish (2 mana)
(No damage)

Multihit (10 mana)
1-10th hit: 20% Damage x 10?, 11th hit: 117.5% Punch contributed by @Kraby
1-10th hit: 100% Neutral, 11th hit: 40% Neutral | 30% Thunder | 30% Water

Smoke Bomb (8 mana)
60% Damage per, x 9
50% Neutral | 25% Earth | 25% Air

Archer
Arrow Storm (6 mana)
10% Damage per Arrow, x 60? <- not sure about the amount
60% Neutral | 15% Fire | 25% Thunder

Escape (3 mana)
100% Damage
50% Neutral | 50% Air

Bomb Arrow (8 mana)
250% Damage
60% Neutral | 15% Fire | 25% Earth

Arrow Shield (10 mana)
250% Damage
20% Neutral | 30% Water | 50% Air

Mage
Heal (6 mana)
(No damage)

Teleport (4 mana)
100% Damage
60% Neutral | 40% Thunder

Meteor (8 mana)
400% Damage
40% Neutral | 30% Earth | 30% Fire

Ice Snake (4 mana)
70% Damage
50% Neutral | 50% Water

Warrior
Bash (6 mana)
130% Damage x 2
1st hit: 60% Neutral | 40% Earth, 2nd hit: 100% Neutral

Charge (4 mana)
150% Damage
60% Neutral | 40% Fire

Uppercut (10 mana)
1st hit: 200% Damage, 2nd hit: 100% Damage explosion, 3rd hit: 75% Damage crash
1st hit: 85% Neutral | 15% Earth | (25% Thunder), 2nd, 3rd hit: 100% Neutral
(Thunder was supposed to be in Uppercut? But it's not in it.)

War Scream (6 mana)
40% Damage per hit?
25% Air | 75% Fire

Example:

When you cast a spell in game, you'll see the name of casted spell.
In this picture, "Uppercut" has been casted.
Search the Uppercut Spell Multiplier from the upper spoiler, and hold on the numbers.

1-4. Identification Boost
This one might practically be the most important part. This parameter includes both Identifications (IDs) on your gears and your Skill Points, and this parameter needs to change between some formulas.
You're going to put most of your identifications from your gears into this parameter.
The important thing here is, how to add them together.
Let me bring an example. You have weapon with "+10% Spell Damage". You have an armor with "+10 Strength". (10 Str = 9.5%)
Maybe you want to multiply it like "1.1 x 1.095 = 1.2045", but that is not how calculation works in wynncraft.
You ADD the percentages together.
So this example will be; 10% + 9.5% = 19.5%, and this set example would have you "0.195" Identification Boost. (Hold on the bolded number)

There are a few kinds of IDs and skill points that will be included into this parameter. Here is the list.
Affectable IDs, Skill Points
Skill Points (%)
- Strength (Str)
- Dexterity (Dex)
- Intelligence (Int)
- Defense (Def)
- Agility (Agi)
Spell Damage (%)
Melee Damage (%)
Elemental Damage (%)
- Earth Damage
- Thunder Damage
- Water Damage
- Fire Damage
- Air Damage

To transform Skill Points (Numbers) into Percentages, you can use this document. (a bit laggy...)
These are all percentage IDs. So as I wrote up there, you'll make a sum of those percentage, but not the sum of all of these.
When you use the "Identification Boost" parameter for;

Spell Neutral Damage, you'll need the sum of; Spell Damage and Strength.
Spell Elemental Damage; Spell Damage, Strength, Elemental Damage and Skill Points. (Which corresponds to the elemental you calculate on)
Melee Neutral Damage; Melee Damage and Strength.
Melee Elemental Damage; Melee Damage, Strength, Elemental Damage and Skill Points. (Which corresponds to the elemental you calculate on)

This parameter depends on where you use it, so be careful.

If you want to know more about IDs, here are the links
Official Wiki of Wynncraft (Identifying) : Explains what each IDs do.
The Unofficial Identification Thread (by @Rikio ) : Explains more details about what each IDs do. (This is an old thread, so some of the information could be wrong, and please don't reply to it.)
How Identifications are Calculated (by me) : Explains more about mechanic of ID calculations.

Example:

This item is a Bracelet called Vanguard.
It has 2 Affectable IDs in it, so we'll add them when we need for each calculations. (Spells and Melee)
However, we usually have more armors/accessories. To see the sum of those IDs, look into your compass (Character Info) in game.

When you open your compass and cursor on the Head, it will show the sum of IDs in your Armors and Accessories. This will help you a lot in a way of counting affectable IDs, but this sum do NOT include IDs of your weapon, so sum them by yourself.

1-5. Raw Damage
You should already know what Raw Damage is, if you read the thread I linked up there.
Raw Damage is the one increases your Neutral Damage you may inflict.
There are 2 kinds of Raw Damage; Melee Damage (Raw), and Spell Damage (Raw).
If you had either of these, hold on the numbers.

Example:

In this example armor, we see the Spell Damage (Raw). We'll hold on the number 325.

2. Melee Damage Calculation
Yay! Now we're going to calculate the actual damage!
Anyway, let's begin. I'll put down the formula.

Melee Damage
(Base Damage) x (1+(Identification Boost)) + (Raw Melee Damage)

Melee Damage on Dex
(Base Damage) x (2+(Identification Boost)) + (Raw Melee Damage)

Only 3 parameters are needed here to calculate Melee Damage.
From 1-1, Base Damage.
From 1-4, Identification Boost.
From 1-5, Raw Damage.
What you need to is, just plug in the numbers you got in section 1 into the formula!
And you'll know how much damage you do!

Well, let me explain a bit more concretely with an example.
You've got a weapon with 80-120 Neutral Damage. You've got a piece of armor with +10% Melee and +30 Melee. Your Skill Points are; (Str, Dex, Int, Def, Agi) = (10, 10, 0, 0, 0)
What you do is, just plug in the numbers into the formula!
Your min. Base Damage is 80 Neutral, and ID Boost here is 10% Melee + 9.5% Str = 19.5% = 0.195. Your Raw Melee is 30. When you plug in those, you'll get a result of 125.6 min. Melee Damage!
Wait a min. 125.6? No worries, you just round it down. So your min. Melee Damage is 125!
In the same way, you can calculate your max. Melee Damage, 173.

As well for the Dex one(when your dexterity skill activates and "doubles" your damage), you just plug in the numbers and you'll get the result of 205-293 Melee Damage.

And it is basically the same for Elemental Melee Damage, but do not forget to change the "Identification Boost" parameters, and Raw Melee Damage is only working for Neutral.

And so, you've done calculating Melee Damage, hooray!

3. Spell Damage Calculation
Nice! You've come this far! How much time did it take for you to read all of these? I bet you're here to know how spell damage is calculated, right?
Enough of that, I'll begin now.

3-1. Neutral Damage
First, I'll introduce Neutral Damage Calculations.
And for Spell Calculations, we'll use all the 5 parameters I introduced in section 1.
What I mean with "Neutral Damage Calculation" is, the spell damage calculated from Neutral Base Damage part.
Anyway, here is the basic formula.

Spell Damage
(Base Damage) x (Attack Speed Boost) x (Spell Multiplier) x (1+(Identification Boost)) + (Raw Spell Damage) x (Spell Multiplier)

Spell Damage on Dex
(Base Damage) x (Attack Speed Boost) x (Spell Multiplier) x (2+(Identification Boost)) + (Raw Spell Damage) x (Spell Multiplier)

This one gets a little more complicated, so I'll get this going with this example here. (It was actually part of my build)
Here is the information we need.
Gale's Force | Very Fast | Neutral 120-150, Air 120-150
+54% Spell | +233 Spell (Raw)
Skill Points (Str, Dex, Int, Def, Agi) = (30, 56, 0, 33, 76) = (26.1%, 43.5%, 0%, 28.3%, 54.6%)
Elemental Damage (Ea, Th, Wa, Fi, Ai) = (-57%, 0%, 0%, 15%, 35%)
Attack Speed Boost (Very Fast) = 3.1
Spell Multiplier (Base, Elemental) = (250%, 60% Neutral | 15% Fire | 25% Earth)

First, we will need "Spell Multiplier" parameter from section 1-3.
I'm going to calculate Archer's Bomb Arrow damage as an example here, so Base Multiplier is 250%, and Elemental Multiplier is 60% Neutral | 15% Fire | 25% Earth.
And this is important; split up the Neutral Base Damage as Elemental Multiplier tells.
With this example, it'll be; Neutral 72-90 | Fire 18-22.5 | Earth 30-37.5 Base Damage.
(Don't round them down yet; you'll fuck it up.)
Those will be the Base Damage that can be plugged into the formula.

And so, I'll calculate only Neutral Damage here.
Identification Boost for Spell Neutral is; Spell Damage and Strength.
Put the Base Multiplier of Spell Multiplier into the Spell Multiplier here.
Min.; (Base Damage) x (Attack Speed Boost) x (Spell Multiplier) x (1+(Identification Boost)) = 72 x 3.1 x 2.5 x 1.801 ≒ 1004
Max.; 90 x 3.1 x 2.5 x 1.801 ≒ 1256 (Round them down.)
And here we go, the Neutral Damage for this example is 1004-1256!
In the same way, the Neutral Damage on Dex is 1562-1953.
We will talk about Raw Damage later in section 3-3.

Pretty easy, right?

3-2. Elemental Damage
And here, we'll calculate the rest of our example, and complete!
If you understood what I said, you already should know what we should do here.
Do the same thing as we did just up there with Elemental damage. Do not forget to change the ID Boost parameter.
Earth Min.; (Base Damage) x (Attack Speed Boost) x (Spell Multiplier) x (1+(ID Boost))
= 30 x 3.1 x 2.5 x 1.492 = 346
Earth Max.; 37.5 x 3.1 x 2.5 x 1.492 = 433
Fire Min.; 18 x 3.1 x 2.5 x 2.234 = 311
Fire Max.; 22.5 x 3.1 x 2.5 x 2.234 = 389
So I did the calculations, and the Earth is 346-433 Damage, and Fire is 311-389 Damage!
(on Dex, Earth is 579-724, and Fire is 451-563 Damage!)

So what we have left is Air, but that's not too difficult.
Base Damage of Air is 120-150, so just plug into the formula!
Air Min.; 120 x 3.1 x 2.5 x 2.697 = 2508
Air Max.; 150 x 3.1 x 2.5 x 2.697 = 3135
Therefore, Air is 2508-3135 Damage, and on Dex, it is 3438-4297 Damage.

3-3. Raw Damage
At last, we're gonna take a look into how Raw Spell Damage works.
We need to be careful here, because some kind of visual glitch is happening when Raw Spell Damage is related.
With this example, I have +233 Raw Spell Damage. Many people think that it'll be added directly to your damage after all other calculations finished, but it's not.
You may have experienced situations like this; you have a lot of Raw Spell Damage, and when you cast Arrow Storm or Multihit, you don't seem to be doing that much damage as the damage indicator shows up.
Yes, that is technically a "visual" glitch. I'll explain how the "real" damage is calculated.

(Raw Spell Damage) x (Spell Multiplier)

That part is from the formula I put on at section 3-1 first, the Raw Damage part.
It literally explains it, but I'll explain how it works with an example.
You have a bow that doesn't do ANY damage by default. (No Base Damage, to simplify the example here.)
You have a piece of armor which gives you +200 Raw Spell Damage.
You have to put the Base Multiplier of Spell Multiplier, so that is 10% Damage each for the Arrow Storm.
So the Damage each arrow does equals to; 200 x 0.1 = 20 Neutral Damage.
1200 Neutral Damage at total if all the arrows hit the enemy. ( 20 x 60 )
This way of calculating the true damage works for other spells as well.
The damage indicator in game just shows +(Raw Damage Amount) to Neutral, but it is wrong.
You're actually doing the damage which we just calculated.

Back to the Gale's Force example one, let's calculate the Raw Damage amount.
When you have +233 Raw Spell Damage, and on Bomb Arrow (250%),
(Raw Spell Damage) x (Spell Multiplier) = 233 x 2.5 ≒ 582
We'll add that amount to each result of Neutral Damage.

Sooo, if we summarize what we did on this example,
this one does damage of...
Neutral: 1586-1842 (Dex: 2144-2535)
Earth: 346-433 (579-724)
Fire: 311-389 (451-563)
Air: 2508-3135 (3438-4297)

With the build what we just calculated on.
The game visual thinks you inflict 1228 + 233 = 1461 Neutral Damage, but you do not actually.
To know the true Neutral damage you just inflicted, draw the Raw Damage first; 1461 - 233 = 1228
And add the true Raw Damage with the calculation what we just did; 1228 + 582 = 1810
This actually explains the mob's decreased health; 50,000 - 44,645 = 5355
the actual damage we did was 1810 + 2735 + 380 + 427 = 5352, so that fits!
(There's 3 damage error, but.. well, that's only 3! :p)

Huh! We did it!
You can't believe it? Just do it on your gears and weapons! Don't get numbers wrong tho!

4. After Writing / Future Plans (Hopefully)
So, it took me about 4 hours to make this whole thread! It's real. Anyway, did you understand what I tried to tell you...? I hope you did, but if you didn't, I'm sorry, I might try to remake the thread so it can be easier to read.
I had this idea of figuring out the formula from 2 days before I make this thread, I struggled for like 15 hours in front of my PC.
I got helped by this bow (Polar Star) so much, I really couldn't do all of this without this bow. Because this one could only do 100 Thunder Super Fast damage, which made it so easier to estimate the formulas.

On this project, I want to figure out how powders and defense system work, eventually. Hopefully. Anyone's help is appreciated.

... Anyway!
Thank you so much for reading, or you didn't even read those? Well, I'm hoping for this thread to contribute to the wynn's community! Please tell me if there's any flaws in this thread, or whatever you want to tell me!
(Well... read the whole thread before you reply, please!)

on the creator's timezone, JST
1/29/2017, 1:59, Thread Created
1/29/2017, 2:33, The Cow is with us!

1/29/2017, 10:17, Added/fixed Raw Spell Damage section.
1/29/2017, 13:39, Filled up the Spell Multiplier list.

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How about instead of making one of these you cure cancer
You and @Net_Twerk could do it tbh

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This is amazing @Pretzule please pin this
Nice work mot! :D

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Miles_Plays_MC said: ↑

We were also "given" the numbers for the spell multipliers, but they could be wrong too. The spell damages or the spell multipliers could be wrong.
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You can't believe it? Just do it on your gears and weapons! Don't get numbers wrong tho!
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What do you mean "You can't believe it? Just do it on your gears and weapons! Don't get numbers wrong tho!"

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Miles_Plays_MC said: ↑

We were also "given" the numbers for the spell multipliers, but they could be wrong too. The spell damages or the spell multipliers could be wrong.
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True there might still be some mistakes in this however the calculations are pretty much on the spot and this is the best we have ever had for dmg calculation so i would suggest respecting motoki´s hard work here and only complain about things (possibly) being wrong once you actually have reason to suspect it to be wrong ._. I personally think motoki did an epic job here and dedicating this much time into something like this is something that would be way too much for me so i am really thankful for the hard work :p

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True there might still be some mistakes in this however the calculations are pretty much on the spot and this is the best we have ever had for dmg calculation so i would suggest respecting motoki´s hard work here and only complain about things (possibly) being wrong once you actually have reason to suspect it to be wrong ._. I personally think motoki did an epic job here and dedicating this much time into something like this is something that would be way too much for me so i am really thankful for the hard work :p
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I know Motoki did very well with this, and I wasn't trying to devalue Motoki's work or anything. I was just speculating something which could have been real.

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I know Motoki did very well with this, and I wasn't trying to devalue Motoki's work or anything. I was just speculating something which could have been real.
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He tried out the numbers himself by trial and error over a long time of testing... so no one gave him those numbers XD I havent done the same so i can only work with his numbers and i really cant be asked to do the same rn because i already studied 10h of maths today :3 however the numbers work and thus we can assume that they are right or at least close enough to being right XD i am sure there are minor mistakes but those can be deemed somewhat irrelevant as long as they are small enough

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12nebur27 said: ↑

He tried out the numbers himself by trial and error over a long time of testing... so no one gave him those numbers XD I havent done the same so i can only work with his numbers and i really cant be asked to do the same rn because i already studied 10h of maths today :3 however the numbers work and thus we can assume that they are right or at least close enough to being right XD i am sure there are minor mistakes but those can be deemed somewhat irrelevant as long as they are small enough
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I didn't diss this being correct, if that's what your thinking. I was saying that it could be wrong and that the spell numbers we were given could also be incorrect.

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Miles_Plays_MC said: ↑

I didn't diss this being correct, if that's what your thinking. I was saying that it could be wrong and that the spell numbers we were given could also be incorrect.
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I completely get that howeverrrrr the dmg we do in game shows that these numbers are correct or at least close to being correct XD and close to being correct is more than enough for me XD idont mind if the dmg i calculated is off by like 1 to 100 .-. if someone gets way outside of the calculated area then yeah these numbers need rework but until then we can treat them as being correct. Its the same with any theories/laws in chemistry or physics :p They should be treated as right until they are proven wrong x) No one ever said that our laws in physics are 100% right. However they are the best we have thus far so until they are proven wrong we can treat them as being right XD

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Just so you know Raw Melee from my Taurus is effected by my Quake's earth special multiplier

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Just so you know Raw Melee from my Taurus is effected by my earth special multiplier
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Oh really? Maybe I need to research a bit deeper on that. Actually I havent tested anything on Raw Melee. :c
And, do you mean powder earth special or ID boost?

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