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Confusing Class Weapon Names

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by Torpid, Jan 25, 2020.

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  1. Torpid

    Torpid Clueless Veteran HERO

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    I dont really have a solution to this problem, but it's just a little strange and i've never heard anyone talk about it. Im talking about how the game names the classes' weapons.
    Both in the wiki and in-game, these are the weapons each class uses.
    Warrior = Spear
    Assassin = Dagger
    Archer = Bow
    Mage = Wand
    Shaman = Relik

    And the confusing part is that from levels 50+, these weapon names stop making any sense.
    Okay let me explain you have to have 10,000 IQ to understand this
    In early game, Assassin actually does use a dagger. But once you start to get to the higher levels, all of those daggers start turning into swords. There is literally a level 42 "dagger" called Katana. A Katana is not a kind of dagger, a katana is a SWORD.

    With Warrior, this applies perfectly too, just not to such a degree. A vast majority of the higher level weapons are still spears. But you also got.. Tridents?? And... Scythes? Tridents are pretty similar to spears, but they are still different, and scythes are even more of a deviation from Warrior's assigned weapon of "Spear".

    Finally, with Mage. Mage's weapon is meant to be a wand, correct? Okay, then please explain to me why any remotely high-level wand is a full-on staff. Early game wands are short and thin like a wand. Basically anything above level 50 starts to become just as tall as the player. That isn't a wand, that's a staff.

    Archer and Shaman stay with their class weapons pretty perfectly, with the one exception of Archer's crossbow, but that still fits pretty well.

    ~ T
     
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  2. oinuk

    oinuk volcano spell :relaxed:

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    a crossbow is a variant on a bow, for the record

    also i feel like you try and find the slightest discrepancies and complain about them

    also assassin has a weapon named scythe lmao
     
  3. Torpid

    Torpid Clueless Veteran HERO

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    Yes i am aware a crossbow is a variant of a bow, it's still not the same.
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  4. oinuk

    oinuk volcano spell :relaxed:

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    shit mb i dont use lvl 70 weapons ever

    also you didnt respond to my other point lmao
     
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  5. Torpid

    Torpid Clueless Veteran HERO

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    why would i respond to something that is known as absolute truth?
     
  6. Spoodelf

    Spoodelf Travelled Adventurer

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    Depressing Shears didn't like that.
     
  7. dreamer101

    dreamer101 Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    Assassins also get to use brass knuckles.
     
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  8. Benjin

    Benjin Famous Adventurer

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    Katanas are both historically and in pop culture used by ninjas, which were very similar to assassins (the Assassin reskin is a Ninja), actually, the Assassin's weapon from what Normal items say are shears, this is likely because before the Wynncraft texturepack, and surprise surprise, guess what texture Assassin Air weapons use? A katana, and Katana isn't even a Air weapon
    You are correct about this one, but Tridents in real life are fishing spears, and of course good ol' Poseidon used one. You know, fishing/god of sea, pretty good texture for a Water weapon. Scythes are... um, idk
    ... Really? Short and thin? Isn't the normal warrior weapon short and thin? Isn't the first bow short and thin? W-Why?
    All Normal items (tier 1 and tier 2) were remodeled, and now the crossbow is a golden bow
    ________________________________
    He meant Archangel
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    Oh and for the record Assassin's lightning weapon is a claw, which were also used be ninjas :}
     
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  9. Bluescreen

    Bluescreen Running Wynndows 7.2.8712.

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    Fairly sure it's because saying "wand" instead of "Wands/staves/rods" is easier. Same with warrior, "Spear" instead of "Spears, tridents, warhammers, scythes and similar weapons" and assassin has "Daggers and swords of varying types" while archer gets only "bows/crossbows" and shaman only gets "Reliks"

    Furthermore, the diferrence is only cosmetic. But if you put "Wands/staves" or "Spears/Tridents/Warhammers/Scythes" on a tooltip, that will confuse new players who are likely to think that the weapons have functional diferrences since they are listed as separate.
     
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  10. MegaCoquin

    MegaCoquin Formerly known as NPCGrian HERO

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    If the CT were restricted to using the exact definition of each of their weapons, there would be severe constraints for models, names, lore, and other stuff.

    Also, the game refers to assassin weapons as shears and mage weapons as sticks, and the wiki is not an official resource.

    I've never been confused by something labelled "Scythe" when its supposed to be a spear: even though t̶r̶i̶d̶e̶n̶t̶s̶scythes are not spears and staffs are not wands, each class's weapons can be generally classified as followed:

    Mage-Rod/stick used to channel magic
    Assassin-Short-gripped weapon used for closeup combat(for your point about sword vs dagger, thats kind of silly, since at what point does a long dagger become a short sword?)
    Archer-Ranged weapon
    Warrior-Long-handled weapon with some form of combat implement at the end of it
    Shaman-An object representing something: an icon/totem/symbol, used to channel energies

    It's just simpler and easier for the in game chat to say "you must use a wand" rather than say "you must use a rod/stick capable of channeling magic". Just because the normal-tier weapons are named something doesn't mean other weapons can't be used.

    You said you have no solutions, so if we want to fix this "issue" here are a few solutions:

    • Rename, re-lore, and remodel every single weapon in the game that does not fit the narrow definitions of what is classified "bow" or "dagger".
    • Change all the indications in-game and online so that instead of putting those simple words, it displays a sentence describing the characteristics of weapons acceptable for each class to use.
    • Make classes able to use all weapons
     
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  11. Benjin

    Benjin Famous Adventurer

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  12. MegaCoquin

    MegaCoquin Formerly known as NPCGrian HERO

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    okok is the phrase "scythes are not spears" acceptable mr weapon man

    /s
    please don't hurt me
     
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    SnapDoomy Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    ok sorry but



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    you say its confusing but it seems like you understand them just fine?

    also when you get a weapon you first see it as quite literally 'unidentified <whatever weapon>'



    im not even sure what ur posts are anymore because it seems like it's all just shitpost
     
  14. Qzphs

    Qzphs soulflare is my religion

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    is this /s or are you trolling

    knowing that a katana is a sword is general knowledge, not iq.
     
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    Benjin Famous Adventurer

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    When someone says 10000 IQ, a number that is impossible to reach naturally, then they're obviously sarcastic
     
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    Aight then...

    Bows:
    -shortbows
    -longbows
    -recurve bows
    -crossbows
    -hand cannons
    -ballistas

    Wands:
    -staffs
    -wands

    Spears:
    -spears
    -pikes
    -gungnirs
    -Tridents
    -warhammers
    -sledgehammers
    -hammers
    -picks
    -pitchforks
    -harpoons
    -lances
    -shovels



    Daggers:
    -daggers
    -swords
    -shortswords
    -katanas
    -scythes
    -cutlasses
    -knuckles
    -claws
    -knives
    -dagger hilts
    -pallete knives
    -chisels
    -rapiers
    -shears
    -gauntlets
    -scimitars
    -senbon
    -chakrams
    -estocs
    -kukri
    -machetes
    -scissors
    -zweihanders
    -sabres
    -scalpels
    -paws
    -sickles
    -nail clippers

    Reliks:
    ???
     
  17. Benjin

    Benjin Famous Adventurer

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    Pandarelik also please add relik major IDs, how dare you discriminate us shamai
     
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    oinuk volcano spell :relaxed:

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    TrueThaumaturge Formerly Shitposting 101 VIP+

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    honestly i think it'd be pretty cool if weapons were separate from classes, ex scythes could be used by both assassins and warriors but thatd be a balancing nightmare
     
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    Ah yes and weapon skins would f that up
     
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