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Cancer: Should We Change Its Name?

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by Selvut283, Jun 19, 2018.

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Should we change Cancer's name?

  1. Yes, change Cancer's name(Proposed name: Jormungandr), and add a new Cancer to fill the Zodiac gap.

    123 vote(s)
    51.7%
  2. Yes, change Cancer's name(Proposed name: Jormungandr), but don't add a new Cancer.

    7 vote(s)
    2.9%
  3. No, don't change Cancer's name.

    73 vote(s)
    30.7%
  4. I don't care either way.

    35 vote(s)
    14.7%
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  1. Aya

    Aya Very Serious Gensokyo Journalist HERO

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    wait people take cancer as a real issue nowadays? i thought it went the same way as depression and anxiety
     
  2. SlyamPoetry

    SlyamPoetry dedicated pikotaro fan!!!!! CHAMPION

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    naem and loer suggestino:

    Neurotoxin

    (portal reference ey?
    but you don't get the gasmask.)

    something about the plague doctor creating a dangerous helmet that releases a poisonous gas, infecting both the user (huge debuff in both melee and spell) and the people around the user (poison and lifesteal and all that)
     
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  3. coolname2034

    coolname2034 Formerly known as NPCGrian HERO

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    Tbh I dont really think anything needs to be changed
    I feel like it takes effort to make the name/lore a problem
    I havent had any problems
     
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  4. Selvut283

    Selvut283 Circadian rhythm stuck on Tokyo time ♪ Music Item Team GM CHAMPION

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    Bumped, want more responses.
     
  5. Locky1110

    Locky1110 Famous Adventurer CHAMPION

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    I think that cancers lore should be changed, not really the name itself
    it should be made to fit the zodiac sign.
    thats really all i have to say.









    also the poison may link to the disease kthxbye
     
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  6. e!

    e! ⁣e HERO

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    Poisonous crab?
     
  7. Stratiformis

    Stratiformis Banned 5 years ago. Hoping to come back...

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    Lol, why do people hate it? I dont care about this even though my grandpa is dying because of cancer. Guys its a game, dont care about shit like this.
     
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  8. Slime1480

    Slime1480 Slime Shady Staff Member Moderator CHAMPION

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    So you're saying that if you don't care even if you grandpa is dying becausr of cancer, there isn't any problem? Just because YOU don't care? Think about other people, not just you.
     
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  9. Stratiformis

    Stratiformis Banned 5 years ago. Hoping to come back...

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    I care about grandpa, but I dont fucking care about this item.
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    Btw I think next item to change will be Black lol
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    Again, its a fucking game + lore can be about some poisonous crab, not fucking desiase
     
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  10. Slime1480

    Slime1480 Slime Shady Staff Member Moderator CHAMPION

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    I'd like to see your grandpa reading all the jokes about this item and the disease itself, I think he wouldn't be so happy, nor you watching him being more sad than before: Having cancer and people joking about it (If you really care about him). I don't think someone with real cancer will read those "jokes" (I wouldn't define as a joke this) but the problem is that there is people joking around about a real disease.

    Edit: Now you're saying that you care about your grandpa dying of cancer, but you don't care about people joking about cancer making references from a pixel to a disease....
     
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  11. Electrolysis

    Electrolysis person VIP+

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    Should we remove Earthquake now because it's a natural disaster that causes many tragic deaths every year and many people lose family members to such?

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  12. Slime1480

    Slime1480 Slime Shady Staff Member Moderator CHAMPION

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    Just think about it, why just the item Cancer is in this poll/post whatever it is? Because people jokes only with this item, maybe because it's a legendary tier and is more famous, I've never heard of the item "Earthquake" But since nobody jokes with that, I don't see the problem. The real problem comes when people jokes about these things.
     
  13. Lego_DW

    Lego_DW yeppers HERO

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    i mean if youre going to apply the logic that every one has against Cancer, why not them all, like Cardiac Arrest etc, and even Earthquake
     
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  14. Stormarend

    Stormarend The classes DO NOT correspond with the elements.

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    Oh no, now people will be saying "You're cancer" instead of "You're upload_2018-6-19_14-11-3.png , what an improvement.
     
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    Slime1480 Slime Shady Staff Member Moderator CHAMPION

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    What are you trying to say? I don't understand...
     
  16. Electrolysis

    Electrolysis person VIP+

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    So what if people joke about topics like that? As long as it's not with malicious intent it's fine. It's not like death threats or hate speech, where people are deliberately trying to cause harm to others. We can't just go around changing and censoring stuff just because someone is offended by something with no intent to do so.

    And what makes it any different that Cancer is being joked about while others are not? Should we remove Earthquake if it gets joked about often?
     
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  17. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    Like aa said b4, that logic can be applied to literally anything with a negative connotation, regardless of the context or intent. If you want the item changed to get a new item or to fit the accuracy better that’s fine, but don’t do it just because it offends you.
     
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  18. ReReverse

    ReReverse Social Anxiety (no longer) in a can! CHAMPION

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    I guess I should give my 5 cents on the topic.

    It's fine that people what the item changed or removed, it's (partially) based on a disease that has torn apart families. But here's the problem; it's mainly based on the Zodiac sign. I don't know why they chose the disease instead of the sign for the stats, but I can only assume that it's because try to make a helmet based off a crab, without changing the look of it, isn't exactly straightfoward. But I don't think it should be removed.
    Merely the word being present is enough to raise discussion and awareness over it, and that's good! For something as serious as cancer, the more people know about it and openly discuss it, the better. I'm not saying everything should be based around it, but removing it would partially stop these discussions and, generally, censor the subject.
    So, in my opinion, as long as it stays in the game, in one way or another, whether that be changing the item or leaving it as is, i'm fine. But removing the item altogether just isn't the right thing to do.
     
  19. Selvut283

    Selvut283 Circadian rhythm stuck on Tokyo time ♪ Music Item Team GM CHAMPION

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    We would not remove the item at all; it would just have its name changed, and according to the votes, a new helmet named Cancer that is more closely based on the zodiac would be implemented.
     
  20. Robbee

    Robbee Well-Known Adventurer

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    Fact is, there are several complains about Cancer's name, but as it seems not as much about these other items. And thats what makes Cancer different, why you can't apply this logic to the other items.

    I mean, whats the problem with changing the name? The lore would benefit from a change, as a crab-based Cancer would fit the Zodiac theming more. And "I don't want it to be changed because people are offended." is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heared. It is not even an argument, as it doesn't provide any reason why not changing the name would be better than changing it, it just shows that you don't care about other peoples feelings, that you like others to feel uncomfortable, that you like to harm them. Yes, some of the complains may not be serious, but some surely are, and these are the ones that we should take into account. And no, it doesn't matter if some people with relatives being affected by cancer are not offended, because they can't speak for everyone.

    Thats actually the only serious argument for keeping the name and lore I've seen in this whole discussion. But I would assume that the positive effect of people getting to know cancer through Minecraft is quite small compared to the negative effect of people being seriously offended by it. The problem is not that this topic is being addressed, but how. Many TV shows or newspaper articles show how to do it right, explaining what cancer is, what its consequences are, etc., while in this game, Cancer actually gets a positive connotation by being a very useful and effective tool for defeating enemies. It is not an item that is just there, informing you about this topic. Not, it is special and basically without real substitute in two different aspects.
     
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