Before 1.20: Legendary Island Retrospective

Lol, I can imagine if I had run LI that many times I think my list would start to morph into yours. I kinda like Yahya since it's different, but I also see that is isn't really a fight so I totally get why people dislike it. I'm glad to see you like Death Metal though, I don't really see people talking about it so it's cool to know others like it too.

and yeah, the King is dead, I guess we still have, like stormy amulet or something? Not a very cash money change imo.

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Totally agree, though I kind of see him, the eye and any other knock back boss in the same way since their gimick just doesn't work as intended. It's too late to change this now, but I honestly think range in this game is a huge advantage and that wasn't really accounted for when designing the character leaving us with a completely busted class. That said, I really hope they don't nerf archer, it's so much fun :)

 

Okay, true, but I did find that on the 4th and 5th phases, being Morph Shaman, if you don't hide under/over a pillar, and behind the tree, respectively, fast; you will likely die.

 

I think Dr. Legendary is the hardest LI boss when playing spell Archer too...

 

I honestly feel that cybel is slightly harder but I haven’t really done much LI with archer

 

I had issues fighting Dr.Legendary but not Death metal, Exploited build btw

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holy hell this is not a good idea. its just gonna be incredibly unfun when you add poison to BOSSES. everyone hates poison in PVP. and now youre gonna add it to a fucking boss?!??! unavoidable damage is, in my opinion, unnecessarily stressful and kinda unfun. *cough cough wynncon.* speed... i mean that sounds okay ish, but thematically? im not so sure

 

In PVP poiosn is only an issue because it does so much damage and can't be telegraphed thanks to the fact that toxo is basically an instant kill poison shotgun. The issue there is clearly not that poison is the problem, it's that it's untelegraphed, unavoidable and basically instantly kills you. Imagine if people could use Wretches from the eye fight against people in PVP to drop peoples health by 90%, that would be busted too but in the boss fight you have a chance to see it's coming and do something about it. PVP is a really, really bad metric to determine what should and shouldn't be in boss fights, especially in Wynncraft where PVP isn't even remotely functional.

Boss fights are a controlled area where any mechanic or punishment can work, you just need to have the right balance between being able to take action and punishment. The harder an effect is to prevent, the less negative it can be. Poison can be a fair punishment so long as you have the ability to prevent it.

I would also not like it if I just got randomly poisoned, but if the damage was fair and in moderation and was applied in an avoidable way it would make the boss fight more interesting which is something the boss desperately needs since he's way too easy, even for being the second LI boss. Having him throw a poison bottle into the air so you need to back off of him every once in a while would make it so you can't just stand at his feet and slap him around without any repercussions.

Also, he's the virus doctor, if I had to think of the most thematic effect for him it would be either poison or withering.

 

"avoidable"... so you just mean "do true damage over time"?
but still, thats kinda... e... its gonna make virus doctor feel more like a dps test.
and if im understanding correctly, "poison" is just going to be pvp poison; multihit except you can still move around.
also, virus doctor hits like a truck with his normal bottles anyways. idk, but also taking into account you saying "back off him" it kinda sounds like a shaman playstyle, which has heal. archer, warrior, and assassin do not have innate healing. true damage is going to be incredibly annoying.

 

By avoidable, I mean it needs to be telegraphed and actionable. If something indicates that a poison attack is incoming and there's a way to stop it or avoid getting hit, that's perfectly fair in my book, much like wretches in the eye fight.

Also, by poison I thought it was very clear I was talking about the debuff since I only mention vanilla buffs/debuffs in my original post. Wynncraft poison is overly complex and would be weird considering this boss only uses vanilla effects to begin with.

Finally, his normal attacks aren't really that strong, they do less then 1K damage each and they're probably one of the easiest attacks to avoid, which is exactly my point. Virus doctor is probably the easiest end game boss to do without taking damage which is why he needs the hits that he does land to be more annoying and powerful to compensate for the fact that he's a complete pushover. When even Mummyboard is harder then you, you've messed up.

 

Mummyboard deals approximately 3425 damage per projectile, with almost half that in element damage.

Virus Doctor deals approximately 4350 damage per projectile, with just under a quarter of that in element damage.

Additionally, Mummyboard's attacks, save for a single instance of Heavy Charge, all have spell multipliers under 100%, so element weaknesses don't hit quite as hard, whereas the majority of the Virus Doctor's attacks are single hits, and thus have multipliers above 100%, which hits your element weaknesses harder.

 

Virus doctor does like 4k per hit lol

Edit: ninjad by Selvut but looks like my estimate was right.

 

Fair enough, but that still doesn't make it easier then the mummy in my books. I just ran LI twice (total of 10 times since I wrote this) to check and I killed the Virus Doctor about twice as fast. It's probably the weaknesses on them, but I also found it much easier to avoid the plague doctors hits which is why I don't really know how much they do since I normally don't get hit during that fight. I still think the Virus Doctor needs some more interesting attacks and the fact that it does 4K (Closer to 3K since I'm using morph) per hit instead of 1K doesn't really disprove or change anything else I said there. At 14K health, I can't imagine losing to it as it would take getting hit 5 times in a row, which is just not going to happen without some sort of lag spike or some other uncontrollable issue.

Edit: I actually have no idea why the numbers are working out this way, but I let myself get hit, it took 3 throws to actually land one, I was at 7.5K and it only took me down to 5.6. Can't comment why that's the case but I'm sure it does less then 2K to full morph.

 

Personally I've never found either of them particularly tough on any class, not since my early days. They're certainly fair enough, and can trip you up if you aren't careful, but mostly serve as nice early LI bosses.

 

I guess my major complaint is that the doctor doesn't feel unique at all. It's almost identical to the mummy in every way that counts and I think that's a real shame when it could be so much more interesting.