Any Mythics (or Legendaries) That You Hate?

Oh wow, life steal is so DEFENSIVE, it's not defense it's frickin life steal, now get your tanky rainbow off of me

 

Defensive != Defence. Life steal is still a defensive identification. It doesn't make you deal more damage, so it's not offensive. It doesn't help you move or get better control on the battlefield so it isn't utility. It makes you die slower. Life steal is defensive. Why would you assume something isn't defensive just because it isn't literally defence?

 

Salpinx and Lunar Spine, a huge cost to mana regen at the reward of mana steal is just not the playstyle I want. Salpinx hurts especially, considering it is the highest level legendary air relik, and the only alternatives I could see are too expensive or weak.

 

It makes you attack to trigger it though, which imo makes it a bit offensive and it does allow you to persist, sure, but in a much more offensive way than say hpr.

 

Rarity. Why would you make an item that most lvl 1-10 wont ever get? Its basically an item to help more experienced players to lvl up faster or maybe make money like YoshisWorld.

 

It doesn’t necessarily make it defensive it just has life steal because both mana steal (which it has) and life steal work really well with super slow.

 

I agree
Super slow doesn’t rly hinder its damage cause you use it for super slow steals
Mana steal assists spell steal and life steal just increases sustain
Sustain doesn’t mean it’s defensive
I think it’s not purely offensive but definitely not defensive

 

Thank you for your defensive statement, kind stranger

 

What was the mythic?

 

I was mainly joking, but the reason I consider life steal specifically defensive, is that it's used to sustain your life. I'm using "defensive" as a blanket term for all stats that are used for defensive purposes, even if some may include offensive aspects. (also im done responding because i really don't want to hijack this thread)

 

"The best defense is a good offense"

 

So is conflagrate a defensive armor piece?

 

Ok now for me, I hate an item called cataclysm cause I can’t build cataclysm builds with it and it’s so overrated

 

Alkatraz. Or I should say Alkatrash.

 

Please do note that my post was only a response to the statement "life steal isn't defensive". The actual offensive benefit of having life steal is very small and the fact that it gives you health can't be denied. The actual function life steal is more important than the way you trigger it. "It just increases sustain". What sustain? Health sustain. If getting more health is now not defensive anymore then I might as well leave these forums. As for Atlas, I would say it's only purely defensive if you were to build extra life steal on a build that doesn't already have a super slow weapon in order to more reliably trigger it. As far is I know, Atlas is mostly slapped into spell builds to get reliable mana steal, which is obviously not purely defensive.

That's just putting words in his mouth. Atlas and Conflagrate are way different. The post was talking about all stats, not all items. Conflagrate has two defensive stats, life steal and defence. The life steal is a pretty big amount, but is mostly invalidated in the current meta due to people not really using fast melee life steal. The other is defence, which is there because it's a fire item and sixteen defence doesn't suddenly make you a tank exactly. On the other hand, it completely guts your health, has two insane damage stats and has two negative defensive stats. Atlas, in comparison, has a negative offensive stat (which usually isn't that major if you're doing spell slap), a defensive stat (life steal) and mana steal, which could be argued as more offensive, but also can be used for really anything. Was this an actual question or just a "so you're saying" type of question framed to fit your argument?

 

No need to be edgy and melodramatic because of a perspective

 

Phoenix Wing

I fucking despise Phoenix Wing.

Every god damn time I get a legendary wand, I think
“Oh wow I hope it’s a good one”
But nope, it’s a FUCKING Phoenix Wing.

TL:DR Phoenix Wing sucks, please remove.

 

There is no mythic that I hate really, after all it’s an item that lets some people enjoy the game, after using almost bow mythic (except Ignis, idk) all of them are fine in their way .. except one that’s nerfed and dealing same damage as legendary.. but I don’t hate it tho.

 

Why should you care that I wrote that instead of actually formulating a proper response to my post? If you seriously can't read between the lines and see that that phrase isn't 100% serious you need to get some help. Since we're attacking each other's tone now, why not look at one of your posts.

"No need to be sarcastic and passive-aggressive because of a perspective." This is just patronising and doesn't even provide any new arguments to the debate. Come to think of it, you've consistently been one of the most condescending people I've ever seen on these forums. Instead of providing a proper response to my post you just tell me what to do. I'd love to argue with you once you've evolved from one-sentence posts with "information" that everybody already knows about. For now, I'm calling quits. If you want to talk further, take it to DMs, since we're already taking up way too much space on this thread.

 

Ok...
But my question stands because he states that atlas is defensive because of life steal, so doesn’t conflag have life steal too?
Also yes now that I think about it, if you think of life steal as an individual id, considering only it’s function, yes it’s defensive.
How about thorns and reflection, they deal damage to attackers and you could say that they are offensive ids, but specifically building it or considering using it means you want to tank stuff and building to tank stuff(although no one would do that really rip old Virgo and good riddance too)
The way the id works and functions may be important but I don’t think the trigger can be ignored
Also -ve life steal discourages attack which you can say that +ve life steal and balance that effect. (Ok I am pulling out irrelevant ideas but just considering its functions is strange)
I still can’t accept atlas being defensive, nor justifying that something is defensive just because it has life steal.