Amadel 2nd Boss Room Grinding

Dankeremo · Jul 25, 2017

SoulReaper11 said: ↑

No one will say it on a forum which is moderated by the same devs as the server (as they might be banned) and the mods wont tell you how in case after a change the glitch works again or you work out a different way to glitch it using the same method.
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Ok thx for telling me

orange0404 · Jul 26, 2017

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Selvut283 · Jul 26, 2017

Kellogs Cereal said: ↑

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orange0404 · Jul 26, 2017

Selvut283 said: ↑

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Shiroe · Jul 27, 2017

Selvut283 said: ↑

I had the exact same problem with EXP grinding and I was one of the most avid people for getting it nerfed finally by Salted, and then I see people doing the exact same thing. I know for a fact that people did end up getting banned over the AFK grinding scenario, so why should AFK farming be any different?

Onto my logic in this situation, let me preface this by saying this isn’t a resource-gathering game or an idle game like Cookie Clicker or mobile games, which are essentially based around AFK grinding. In those cases, I simply find the games uninteresting. Here, however, there is an actual game to play. There is content to explore. There are enemies to test yourself against, things to find and work towards finding, players to interact with, an entire world which is continually getting even more added to it. And what do I see players doing? Wasting their time, standing still, in the middle of a BOSS ROOM no-less, getting rewarded for inaction.

Let me put this as tactfully as I can.

What right should you have to play the game if you don’t even want to bother participating in it?

There is no reward for getting the best gear, except to make a mockery of the challenges we put forth by abusing glitches and mechanics we are trying our hardest to balance and fix, and then complain “Oh, the game is too easy” while at the same time going back and whining and screaming “Oh my god this game is too hard! GMs, please nerf!!” at the stages where you DON’T have access to those methods. It’s one or the other, not both. Which is it? I’m trying to figure out so I can rebalance it. Is it the mechanics? Did I make the mobs too hard? Have I fucked up a massive portion of the game’s balancing by mistake? How can I fix this? CAN I fix this? What will the community think? Will they crucify us for it? Will they enjoy it? Will they swear off the game?

Having control of one of the game’s most core pieces of balancing is not something I can take lightly, and believe me I don’t. It’s one of the things I’m honestly the most strict about in the team, and I often have ended up running into issues where people have made mobs that were not well-balanced and changing them, and then having those people turn around and complain at me for doing their job for them, since they simply weren’t finished yet, and I was just jumping to conclusions, so I take the balance seriously. When people are screaming out two totally different opinions, I can’t tell who is correct, as everyone has a different opinion about it. For every “Nerf XYZ” thread I’ve seen, there’s been a “Buff ABC” thread, both with legitimate reasons why we should and shouldn’t. I have no idea which to do, and I am constantly second-guessing myself as to whether what I do is a good change. I’ve literally spent nights filling up papers on even just a slight item nerf and why I should or shouldn’t do it. Unlike how some people think and joke about, I don’t just toss some dice and make a change.

Regardless of this aspect, the fact remains that there’s no reward for getting the “best” gear except in obtaining it yourself really, and I’m often trying to make sure that gear is worth grinding for. It’s one of the reasons I want to buff Pandemonium even though Salted won’t let me. And the only real “goal” of the game so far is to hit Lv 100, or 101 if you’re so inclined. We need to make that rewarding, and at the moment it’s a bit lackluster, but we’re working on that. We’re also working on various other pieces of content to make getting that lofty level goal a worthwhile endeavour. Legendary Island, boss altars, all sorts of things. Eventually storylines and more quests and various content of that ilk along with the side content that I’m mostly working on.

And then, you stand in a room all day to completely cheat that system and get the thing you want, taking all the challenge and reward out of it. I even tried to prevent this from happening, but due to another failure of the mechanics, it doesn’t work. Those mobs have a lootMultiplier of 0, meaning they’re never supposed to drop items. And yet. And fucking yet. People complain the market is oversaturated, it’s this kind of convoluted bullshit that I think is why. You’re turning the very concept and gimmick of a boss into a means to harmlessly farm for items and line your pockets, without even needing to be present. You’re turning something we work so hard to balance and make interesting, all the work the GMs put in, and stabbing us in the head with it, with a rude message written on the handle.

If you want to get the best things, you should have to work for it. This is why many quest rewards and things you can buy from shops are Untradable. This is why Boss Altar items are untradable, you should have to WORK to get them. Seeing this sends off a message, as clear as day, and that message reads thusly:

“I don’t care one bit about any of the content you make or the hard work that goes into this game, I just want to get the best stuff for the sake of getting the best stuff so I can brag and laugh in everyone else’s face about it, and I don’t even want to put in any effort to this, so I’ll just glitch and abuse my way to getting it.”

What right should you have to play the game if you don’t even want to participate in it? Why not play something else, or if you don’t want to play games at all, just do anything else? You prove you don’t care about playing the game or about any of the work we put in, the nights that I’ve spent sleepless deliberating on changing a single item and the ramifications or that anyone else in the team might’ve also had over something they were working on, the desperate patching and duct-taping together we’ve had to do over people trying to break our game just to see what happens when everything falls apart and then laugh at our ruined livelihoods. That is what you say to me, and the whole team, and probably any other developer that a similar exploit occurs with when you try to pull this godawful shit. You say that you don’t care about the game, you just want to say you’re better than everyone else, and that you’re willing to step on other people to get your way even if it isn’t needed, but just because it’s easy.

Maybe I take this too seriously. Maybe I’m taking this appropriately. Maybe I’m not taking it seriously enough. I don’t know. All I know is when I see that, THAT is the message it sends. It makes to difficult to work on the game anymore, because then I get thinking like “they’re just going to abuse shit and blaze past it. Why should I bother appeasing them?” It literally gets to me badly enough to question what I have always wanted to do for a living.

THAT is why I say I’m against AFK grinding, or in this case, AFK farming.
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when will they patch it?

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