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  1. hmm
    hmm
    For example, if someone says "I'm a girl, but I believe women always preform less well then men", which is supposed to give some sort of credit to their argument that wouldn't be there otherwise without the mention of the person's identity
    Jul 13, 2017
  2. Yuno F Gasai
    Yuno F Gasai
    Iirc formal fallacy
    Jul 13, 2017
  3. hmm
    hmm
    nah, that's an entire division of fallacies
    Jul 13, 2017
  4. Fox
    Fox
    If we want to be specific, that type of argument is a fallacy called Argumentum Verecundia.

    I don't think you asked what type of argument that was, however. But, knowing which type of fallacy can help you answer your question.

    Argumentum Verecundia Is when you make an argument from authority. So, in other words, if you're X, you feel entitled to do this and that just because you're X.
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  5. Fox
    Fox
    This argument in particular uses authority to differ from popular opinion.

    However, I don't think it's always a fallacy. The reason is because of stereotypes. Stereotypes are which define a certain group from certain behaviors.

    So, if you're saying it to prove against stereotypes, then it's not a fallacy.
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  6. Fox
    Fox
    However, if you're using it to validate that— in this particular example—men are better, then it is a fallacy since your authority doesn't defines that.
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  7. hmm
    hmm
    Is there a specific fallacy though for those who go with the opposite of their identity's majority and use that to legitimate their argument, though?
    Jul 13, 2017
  8. Fox
    Fox
    it's still argumentum Verecundia. When you oppose of the stereotype, you're reclaiming authority, since for many people stereotypes act as their authority.

    however, since stereotypes are popular opinion, it is also an argumentum ad populum.
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  9. Fox
    Fox
    So, those type of arguments are just ones that oppose the popular opinion by using their authority as a man/woman/X
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  10. hmm
    hmm
    well, is there a more specific subset of fallacy?
    Jul 13, 2017
  11. Fox
    Fox
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  12. Fox
    Fox
    personally, I don't necessarily think the argument of "I'm a woman but I believe women always perform less well than men" is a fallacy, since I think the person is trying to say there isn't sexist bias behind her thoughts. However, the argument is incomplete since she never explains why women are actually weaker.
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  13. Fox
    Fox
    So, if this person was trying to convince me with that argument, that women are weaker, that then it is a fallacy.

    But, if she was using it to say her thoughts aren't biased, then it's pretty valid. However, it's still missing an explanation after clarifying you aren't biased.

    The context in how the argument was used changes if it is a fallacy or an incomplete argument
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  14. Fox
    Fox
    With all that said, if the person used that argument to try and convince you, since it's a fallacy, I could say that person has loath towards herself since she may not even know why she thinks of herself weak against men.
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