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Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by culpitisn'taword, Oct 5, 2024.

  1. culpitisn'taword

    culpitisn'taword Skilled Adventurer

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    "Wynncraft's mob design forces potspam/healing meta"
    I have heard many complaints about Lightbender and Acolyte being overpowered. This, I think, explains the problem neatly.

    To broadly summarise it, Wynncraft's damage is difficult to avoid, and the only good sources of healing are pots, Lightbender, and Acolyte. Lifesteal and health regen are both too weak, while enemies have too much ability to injure you - the post specifically calls out ranged mobs, especially burst mobs, and quick melee enemies, which often hit hard as well.

    I think this neatly explains the issues that resulted in Lightbender dominance, but I don't have many ideas on how to fix the issue. I'd suggest giving some form of proper healing to all the classes, or buffing lifesteal and health regen, or making attacks more dodgeable, or reworking potions. Or perhaps this thread is wrong and the problem's overblown. But I do think that, at the very least, 2.1's difficulty increase should be coming from dodgeable attacks and not just increased numbers, although that requires a lot of dev time.
     
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    I think that it varies from enemy to enemy. IE, Greg and his hands have a pretty fast move speed. If you aren't fast enough or have some other way of evading attacks, then you will take a fair amount of damage if things are aggroed to you.

    Also, another reason why LB mage is supper common is because they have arguablely the best movement spell in the game, teleport. It's safe and instant, letting them safely disengage and evade most things. Teleport, in combination with Heal, makes mage super survivable.
     
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    young man. that is something we are doing with all the new bosses. they all have telegraphs now instead of just a white circle.
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    The idea is they hit harder but you can actually play around it, instead of just FLAMETHROWER HEAVY METEOR HEAVY WAVE PULL HEAVY FLAMETHROWER
     
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  4. culpitisn'taword

    culpitisn'taword Skilled Adventurer

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    The regular enemies should also have proper dodgeable attacks though. Most enemies are still very basic.
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    Yeah, that's another fair point. Probably the reason why Acolyte isn't as dominant as LB. Teleport's really good and it keeps getting buffed. Only issue with it, IMO, is that it's not so good at vertical mobility, but it's still the best movement spell in the game.

    I don't know how you'd fix that, though. Probably by making it less useful to disengage from combat? I don't know how you'd do that, either.

    It's a tricky problem which I have no solutions for.
     
  5. Elytry

    Elytry Fractal VIP

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    culpit is more likely to be referring to the obscene stats of world event mobs that still have burst range AI and super fast attack speeds (looking at you corkus)
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    not so good at vertical? are you mistaking teleport for charge?
     
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    culpitisn'taword Skilled Adventurer

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    when i try to go up the big tree in eyeball forest i have to spiral around it because teleport has less vertical mobility than horizontal even if you point directly up

    it's still better at vertical mobility than any other movement spell except escape tho i suppose

    and haul too, possibly. i don't know how good haul is (do not play shaman)
     
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    Bwitty03 Famous Adventurer HERO

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    It's kinda in an awkward place right now considering some bosses (ie, boss altars) have gotten buffed stats but not better telegraphs

    It's almost absurd how much more easy world events are with a single other person to draw half the fire
     
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    Elytry Fractal VIP

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    default haul is next to useless
    blood connection allows infinite flight
    and frog dance is really fast