Dungeons Multiple Raid Difficulties [90% yes]

This idea is inspired by Destiny

We know that an experienced party can absolutely destroy any raid and tend to become boring quickly. Raid are also non-profitable (post tna nerf) and you can't get any mythic by playing them.

Introducing you Raid Difficulties

How would this work?

When handing runes to the Raid Keeper a GUI pops up on party's leader screen and shows the player 4 difficulties:
1) Normal
2) Adept
3) Master
4) Hardcore

Values explained

Mobs damage multiplier: self-explanatory
Mobs resistance multiplier: self-explanatory
Mobs hp multiplier: self-explanatory
Mobs attack chain speed: how fast mobs chain spells
Random Mobs quantity: Random Mobs spawn rate (doesn't affect important Mobs like Bulb Keepers, affects Bulb Catchers and limbodians for examples)
Lives per players: how many times a player can die during the Raid (deaths in buff rooms don't count)

Rewards multiplier: (example: if you get 3le in normal mode after completing tna you'd get 6le in Hardcore mode)

Normal Mode

Multipliers:
Mobs damage: 100%
Mobs resistance: 100%
Mobs hp: 100%
Mobs attack chain speed: 100%
Random Mobs quantity: 100%

Boss damage: 100%
Boss resistance: 100%
Boss hp: 100%
Boss attack chain speed: 100%

Lives per player: unlimited

Normal Mode Rewards:

Nest of the Grootslang:
- mythic chance: 0%
- rewards multiplier: 100%
Nexus of Light:
- mythic chance: 0%
- rewards multiplier: 100%
The Canyon Colossus:
- mythic chance: 0%
- rewards multiplier: 100%
The Nameless Anomaly:
- mythic chance: 0%
- rewards multiplier: 100%

(Nothing changed)

Adept Mode

Multipliers:
Mobs damage: 150%
Mobs resistance: 120%
Mobs hp: 120%
Mobs attack chain speed: 100%
Random Mobs quantity: 100%

Boss damage: 150%
Boss Resistance: 120%
Boss hp: 100%
Boss attack chain speed: 100%

Lives per player: 3

Adept Mode rewards:

Nest of the Grootslang:
- mythic chance: 0%
- rewards multiplier: 120%
Nexus of Light:
- mythic chance: 0%
- rewards multiplier: 120%
The Canyon Colossus:
- mythic chance: 0%
- rewards multiplier: 120%
The Nameless Anomaly:
- mythic chance: 0%
- rewards multiplier: 120%

Master Mode

Multipliers:
Mobs Damage: 200%
Mobs Resistance: 130%
Mobs hp: 130%
Mobs attack chain speed: 150%
Random Mobs quantity: 150%

Boss damage: 200%
Boss resistance: 130%
Boss hp: 130%
Boss attack chain speed: 150%

Lives per player: 3

Master Mode Rewards

Nest of the Grootslang:
- mythic chance: 0%
- rewards multiplier: 150%
Nexus of Light:
- mythic chance: 0%
- rewards multiplier: 150%
The Canyon Colossus:
- mythic chance: 0%
- rewards multiplier: 150%
The Nameless Anomaly:
- mythic chance: 0%
- rewards multiplier: 150%

Hardcore Mode

Multipliers:
Mobs Damage: 250%
Mobs Resistance: 160%
Mobs hp: 160%
Mobs attack chain speed: 200%
Random Mobs quantity: 200%

Boss damage: 250%
Boss resistance: 200%
Boss hp: 200%
Boss attack chain speed: 200%

Lives per player: 1

Hardcore Mode Rewards

Nest of the Grootslang:
- mythic chance: 1% + pity
- rewards multiplier: 200%

Nexus of Light:
- mythic chance: 1% + pity
- rewards multiplier: 200%

The Canyon Colossus:
- mythic chance: 1% + pity
- rewards multiplier: 200%

The Nameless Anomaly:
- mythic chance: 1% + pity
- rewards multiplier: 200%

 

greg with 50mil health sounds kinda scary.

 

There would have to be a couple changes if this were to actually be added in to the game. Like with any good money-making method, the devs'd have to be careful not to accidentally make it too easy to make bank (we don't need another post-nerf TNA situation where people are making some 32le per hour or something), but they'd also have to make sure that it wasn't impossible. There's then the issue of players, cause if this were split up by difficulty in the pfinder, my guess is that it would end up being really hard to actually find people to do it with (the pfinder can be a hassle as is, imagine if TNA were then subdivided into quarters!).

 

I mean I don't expect this to be flawless straight away
I agree on the money making part although the problem with tna was that it was way too easy with 5 le per run which was overkill
This is a fun way of fixing it
Also I want raid to be actually challenging with high rewards (rn wynncraft is really really easy and most endgame players can agree)
I'm completely open for suggestions :) I really wanna see this in game

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Also Hardcore is supposed to be near impossible, that's the fun part :) (people especially liked Tna in beta because it was hard and a challenging experience at that time)

 

I’m still salty about the TNA nerf bc we can’t apparently have any money method rival loot running despite loot running requiring way less skill and interaction.

As for the thread itself, it seems like a nightmare to balance. Games in general struggle with balancing multiple difficulties because more often than not the other game modes are way too hard, too easy, or unfocused. And the raids in Wynncraft have already struggled with balancing, so balancing 3 others at the same time is a no go for me.

 

It's still possible tho we'll find a way around like always
Rn it's pretty balanced (don't mind archer :skull:)
Raids rn are in the med/easy difficulty spot with low rewards
This solution works although it needs to be tested in beta ofc

 

Wynncraft players when they no longer get 5 LE 4 tier 6 powders and 7 tier 3 amplifiers from a singular raid run

 

LMAO
Fuck lootrunning tho

 

My eyes, black text

 

This does seem pretty cool but

please fix.

 

I just threw random numbers lmao
You get the idea tho?

 

I would add a higher entry cost as well, to deter people from trying to tag along for easy rewards. I feel like people would try to take advantage of this and just tag along with no intention of really helping. Wall-huggers if you will.

 

no i think he means that the color is light and the color is black making it hard to read the black on dark themes

 

what shacers said

 

I don't really have any issues with this suggestion per se, but this also seems like a really convoluted way to balance rewards and difficulty of the raid. The real issue here is the disparity between good and bad builds making the raid either way too hard or way too easy and I feel like targeting the problem rather than a symptom is a better way to handle the balance issues we have now.

As an additional difficulty I think it could be cool, but realistically it would make it so you would have a few raid teams with insane builds getting extremely rich extremely quickly doing the hardest difficulty while players with normal builds are stuck doing lower difficulties because they literally can not survive the harder challenges. Having one difficulty lowers the "skill" ceiling, which is mostly an item ceiling, allowing most people to at least scrape by with sub optimal builds.

That's also way too many difficulty options, adding a hard mode is one thing, dividing the player base into four groups is pretty ridiculous. The game doesn't have anywhere near the player base to support that and the player base would likely self divide themselves into at best two groups, a hard one and an easy one anyways making half the difficulties pointless.

 

Main problem right here ^

 

i hate lootrunning +1