Game Mechanics Change the base damages of Spears and Daggers.

Jackkoh · Sep 7, 2021

Ingo said: ↑

That really isn't true.

It's supposed to be like this:

Assassin and Shaman

Warrior and Archer

Mage

When comparing mythic spell warrior to other classes using spell builds with mythics, warrior is perfectly fine.

And about aftershock: I already said many times, I'm fine with it having higher damage. But it shouldn't have higher raw hp + ehp + raw hp sustain + ehp sustain.
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in my eyes:
1. Assassin (Spin att/Multihit with vanish) and Archer (arrow storm arrow storm arrow storm...)
2. Shaman (Totem aura auraauraauraauraaura)
3. Mage (meteormeteormeteor)
4. Warrior (uppercut...?)

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(yes Warrior does deal the least amount of damage)

Je Hooft · Sep 7, 2021

Jackkoh said: ↑

Simply put,
No.
Yes, warrior really does deal little damage, but it's meant to be that way. Warrior having more damage than Assassin will make it very VERY weird as a class, and warrior is, as I said, supposed to be that way. Warrior is the tank while Assassin is the melee damage-dealer.
No, I don't have an end-game Warrior or Assassin, but I do know that they all have some spells that deal damage, and the fact that Assassin deals much more damage than Warrior using its spells.
You said Assassin is god-tier? Well it does technically have the shortest range in-game so maybe if you get up close then yes but getting up close might prove to be a problem unless you're using vanish
Also, balancing everything is WAY too much work for the item teams. like, imagine having to re-code and re-balance every warrior/assassin item in the game. I've done a fair amount of balancing thanks to my forum game (Southern Earth), and that isn't even close to Wynncraft's scale. This all seems like un-needed work to me, when you could just maybe buff the Uppercut spell a bit or something.

Overall, I do think that Warrior IS kind of weak in today's standards, but I don't think it should be buffed to dealing more damage than the Assassin. That would be too much work and make little sense.
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I mean... for 1.20.3 they changed literally every lvl 75+ weapon and a lot of lvl 75+ armor. Just increasing base damages is not that hard

AmbassadorDazz · Sep 7, 2021

First off, Warrior is a frontliner class (read: it has to facetank the crap enemies throw at it). That doesn't mean you shouldn't deal damage, however. Warrior doesn't have high damage output compared to Assassin, but it doesn't need to, since its primary purpose (or intended purpose) is to act as a frontline beef to give actual damage dealing allies some valuable space (Guardian is extremely powerful in that regard).

Assassin is a glass cannon compared to Warrior, and it needs to get quite up close and personal to deal damage (not counting Smoke Bomb/Cherry Bomb), thus risking a shotgun blast to the face, dying instantly. The same hit a Warrior can tank with HP to spare, but Assassin? It also has Vanish as a mobility and invisibility, but it lacks any sort of defensive utility beyond non-KB crowd control excluding Multihit, compared to Warrior who has access to KB in spades (IMO, Knockback is slightly superior to Blindness as you can keep enemies at bay, assuming their KB values are non-negative and they have no KB immunity - Warrior also has access to Taunt under Signal Flare and Strobelight). To compensate, Assassin does a lot of damage. A lot of damage.

Trying to compare these two characters with two separate playstyles is a bit awkward. None of the classes are meant to be superior or meta (at least, assuming IM and devs are balancing things).

Ava Cart · Sep 8, 2021

Chaosunium said: ↑

Warrior is in a really bad spot right now because it can deal NO melee damage and somewhat not-so-bad spell damage.

Assassin is godtier, having both insane melee dmg and insane spell dmg, combined with really decent tankiness.

I suggest to basically change the base damages of assassin and warrior with each other. For example, instead of an endgame melee spear having 220-300 dmg, it would have 400-480, while assassin going down from 400-480 to 220-300

Assassin has a 80% damage buff so it makes up for it, maybe with a slight rework. Assassin damage multipliers could be increased to keep his spell damage the same as well.

Warrior having the 2nd lowest base damage just sucks for warrior overall. It is a frontline so atleast it could melee the enemy but not even that is possible sadly...

This change would make melee assassin less powerful while making warrior somewhat viable. It would still have less damage than shaman/archer melee, but with his own tankiness as well, it can ATLEAST do something.

Assassin would still be strong because vanish + melee is already absurdly strong and his spells are already insanely insanely strong soooo... Yeah

As a result, i think assassin weapon damages should go from 100% to 60-65% while increasing spell damages by 60% to keep the spell damages the same(or slightly higher)

Warrior base damage should go from 100% to around 160-180% as well, while nerfing his spells from 100% to maybe 40-50% to keep his spell damage the same/lower.

Or just an overall class rework maybe?
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just use alka tstack and you'll see the damage you want

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147K DPS with rage brrrr...

Skylaar · Sep 8, 2021

Warrior is literally outclassed in the one thing the name implies it does. When you play a warrior, you expect high damage, after all, the name is "Warrior" and not "Tank". While I don't think it should have higher damage than assassin, because assassin is meant to have high damage but low ehp(although vanish needs a serious nerf)

Ninja_VK · Sep 8, 2021

Skylaar said: ↑

Warrior is literally outclassed in the one thing the name implies it does. When you play a warrior, you expect high damage, after all, the name is "Warrior" and not "Tank". While I don't think it should have higher damage than assassin, because assassin is meant to have high damage but low ehp(although vanish needs a serious nerf)
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Well it warrior, but it’s literally made to be a tank
High ehp takes agro close range and low dmg

Skylaar · Sep 8, 2021

Ninja_VK said: ↑

Well it warrior, but it’s literally made to be a tank
High ehp takes agro close range and low dmg
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Yes but then at that point just rename it "Tank"

SLScool · Sep 8, 2021

The help page ranks Assassin and Shaman as dealing the most damage (5/5), Warrior and Archer as being below that (4/5), and Mage as the weakest (2/5).

The Demon Queen · Sep 8, 2021

this would break more than it would fix, you can already get good dps on warrior

aaaaaaaaaaaaaa · Sep 9, 2021

this would break more than it would fix, you can already get good dps on warrior

Ingo · Sep 11, 2021

Ninja_VK said: ↑

I disagree with the ranking. In my eyes, the way it should be is in terms of dmg (and it’s kinda close to this ig)
1. Assassin and archer
2 shaman
3 warrior
4 mage
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I said "it's supposed to be like this:" - this is what official sources (class creation screen, wynncraft website) say. Not how it is.

Ingo · Sep 11, 2021

Jackkoh said: ↑

This all seems like un-needed work to me, when you could just maybe buff the Uppercut spell a bit or something.
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Spell warrior is fine, melee warrior is what's too weak.

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Jackkoh said: ↑

in my eyes:
1. Assassin (Spin att/Multihit with vanish) and Archer (arrow storm arrow storm arrow storm...)
2. Shaman (Totem aura auraauraauraauraaura)
3. Mage (meteormeteormeteor)
4. Warrior (uppercut...?)

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(yes Warrior does deal the least amount of damage)
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Also for you, I said it's supposed to be like this (= according to official sources, see above).
And I see you never played warrior. As a warrior, you spam uppercancels (a combo of carefully timed uppercut + bash where bash cancels uppercut's throw and uppercut cancels bash's knockback so you can lock the mob in one place and spam it as fast as you want) which results in third highest spell dps (after assassin and archer) when you use war scream or second highest spell dps (after assassin) when you use bash buff.
Spell warrior is fine. Melee warrior without mythics is only viable because stonewalker (TCC raid buff) is completely overpowered.

Jackkoh · Sep 11, 2021

Ingo said: ↑

Spell warrior is fine, melee warrior is what's too weak.

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Also for you, I said it's supposed to be like this (= according to official sources, see above).
And I see you never played warrior. As a warrior, you spam uppercancels (a combo of carefully timed uppercut + bash where bash cancels uppercut's throw and uppercut cancels bash's knockback so you can lock the mob in one place and spam it as fast as you want) which results in third highest spell dps (after assassin and archer) when you use war scream or second highest spell dps (after assassin) when you use bash buff.
Spell warrior is fine. Melee warrior without mythics is only viable because stonewalker (TCC raid buff) is completely overpowered.
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yes sorry I did not play Warrior yet
you got me sir

Chaosunium · Sep 17, 2021

AmbassadorDazz said: ↑

First off, Warrior is a frontliner class (read: it has to facetank the crap enemies throw at it). That doesn't mean you shouldn't deal damage, however. Warrior doesn't have high damage output compared to Assassin, but it doesn't need to, since its primary purpose (or intended purpose) is to act as a frontline beef to give actual damage dealing allies some valuable space (Guardian is extremely powerful in that regard).

Assassin is a glass cannon compared to Warrior, and it needs to get quite up close and personal to deal damage (not counting Smoke Bomb/Cherry Bomb), thus risking a shotgun blast to the face, dying instantly. The same hit a Warrior can tank with HP to spare, but Assassin? It also has Vanish as a mobility and invisibility, but it lacks any sort of defensive utility beyond non-KB crowd control excluding Multihit, compared to Warrior who has access to KB in spades (IMO, Knockback is slightly superior to Blindness as you can keep enemies at bay, assuming their KB values are non-negative and they have no KB immunity - Warrior also has access to Taunt under Signal Flare and Strobelight). To compensate, Assassin does a lot of damage. A lot of damage.

Trying to compare these two characters with two separate playstyles is a bit awkward. None of the classes are meant to be superior or meta (at least, assuming IM and devs are balancing things).
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Assassin is a glass cannon? Not so sure when it can be as tanky as warrior with like 4 times the damage

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