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Spear suggestion?

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Cinfu, Aug 11, 2021.

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  1. Cinfu

    Cinfu Dumbest Person Alive CHAMPION

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    I don't know if item suggestions belong here/can be made at all, but i'm posting it here anyway.
    So i had an idea for a spear...

    https://wynndata.tk/ci/287282784

    I call it "The Screamer" (Not very creative i know) and it is focused all around war scream. I just thought it would be fun to have a spear that revolves all around scream instead of other spells like uppercut (Something like Idol that focuses on charge) , for a change. The +20% Fire damage on the spear are meant to support war screams elemental conversion. The spears base damage might be a little high, i haven't compared it to other spears. Anyway, this is probably a terrible suggestion, i just thought it would be fun to share my thoughts.

    (Thanks for the suggestions and positive feedback so far!)

    So @WynnChairman suggested that the spear could probably use a Major ID, and that i should find a way to block out melee abuse on the spear: Sadly making its attack speed lower also reduces spell damage. (Why, though?) So i gave the spear higher base damage and a ton of -tiers, so it can't be abused in melee builds. The base uppercut damage of the spear seems ridiculous now, but since i increased the +costs on both bash and uppercut further, using those spells should be out of the question...

    As for a Major id (similar to @Bixlo 's suggestion):

    This Major Id would double the damage damage done by War Scream (I am not sure by how much to multiply the damage here, i'm not good with item balancing), and stuns all enemies in the initial Blast Radius for 2 seconds. The knockback from the "trail of explosions" thingy that warscream fires would also be adapted to hit mobs a lot more, basically dragging them along.

    https://wynndata.tk/ci/578087141

    So that's the new item. Please comment on these changes :D
     
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  2. WynnChairman

    WynnChairman Chairman of Wynn HERO

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    maybe if you added some kind of major Id that buffs war scream in some way, sort of like pure with meteor or weathered with vanish. although maybe that's supposed to be a mythic exclusive deal.
    you might also wanna also add some - melee damage since you'd need high base damage for war scream to do good enough damage but you wouldn't want it to be melee abused then
     
  3. Bixlo

    Bixlo Got drip like pablo HERO

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    ngl it would be really neat.
    Since its fabled a major ID would b inoder.
    Maybe Pressure Wave: War scream nolonger moves mobs but instead stuns and blinds them for 3 seconds
     
  4. TheNelston

    TheNelston only ironically afk in the head HERO

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    it could be one of those deals where the spear isn't the only way to get the major id, like how rots and bhaze work
     
  5. WynnChairman

    WynnChairman Chairman of Wynn HERO

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    that's fine as well, but since he wants the spear to specifically be war scream oriented, it would make sense to have the ID on the spear itself
     
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    Jackkoh Grass of the Realm VIP+

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    sorry, I can't connect to WynnData for some reason lol
     
  7. Cinfu

    Cinfu Dumbest Person Alive CHAMPION

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    I made some changes to the item. I hope i didn't do anything too bad in your eyes...
     
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    WynnChairman Chairman of Wynn HERO

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    Ok so, tbh I originally was thinking of just -melee dmg % or something, but -tier stacking is a pretty cool way to do it too. I think it might be better to increase the cost for bash and uppercut even more though so it can't be countered with -cost identifications now or in the future.

    Now about the major ID, I think it would be better to instead of just it does more damage, make it work in a different way that it would do more damage, sort of like hawkeye shooting 5 arrows instead of three or pure making meteors fall faster so you can use more of them. I like the idea of explosions dragging the mobs along so it hits them more, though ofc that would be pretty useless vs bosses or other mobs with cci. But something along those lines is pretty realistic and viable I think
     
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    TheNelston only ironically afk in the head HERO

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    it would be cool if the war scream lowered enemy defenses or something, kind of like curse but built into a spell instead

    i could see a really interesting playstyle of support warriors becoming really viable, where they build this + infernal impulse with tank items
     
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