Guilds Territory Resource Changes/suggestions Also Terr Connections!

Inspired by @Crokee

Hello all! I come to the suggestions yet again with another GUILD THREAD

Today, it is not a mald-fest, but a genuine suggestion to make areas more bearable and more realistic.

This has changed a total of 12 areas, one of them being semi-controversial, but we'll get to that when we get there :D

PART 1: JUNGLE

As we all know, or at least warrers and territory managers know, Jungle is one of the worst places to defend. With it's weird territory connections, multiple cutoffs, and resource issues, Jungle is one of the worst places to war and manage.


TERRITORY RESOURCES:
TOL: Ore because of massive Silver Mine behind ToL
Dernal Mid: Fish because of the massive lake (Foutain of Youth) Had a couple of people suggest Oasis to me, and keep lower as Fish because of Wynnex being in Dernal mid, though I just decided to go with this.
Dernal Lower: Oasis territory because of the Shaman town in this territory
Jungle Lake: Fish because, it is literally a Lake territory, please wynn this has been suggested since territory maps for 1.20 came out
Great Bridge Jungle: Ore because Great Bridge Nesaak is ore as well, it just makes more sense than it being a wood territory.

CONNECTIONS:
Dernal Mid -> Jungle Upper: There is a connection between the Jungle Village and Dernal Jungle Mid.
Herb Cave -> Jungle Lake: There is a path from Jungle Lake to Herb, though you can also do ToL to herb, because of the connection via the ToL Bridge.


PART 2: NESAAK
Nesaak, is one of the better of the worse territories, though it has multiple bad chokes, those are somewhat of a necessity and cannot really be changed, so Nesaak is just territory resource changes.



RESOURCES:
Icy Descent: Ore because of the mining operation in the quest "Frostbite"
Bobs Tomb: Oasis, since Bob's Tomb doesn't fit any of the specific territory resources, but neither does ToA and it is also an oasis.
Nesaak Village: Fish, as it is a fishing village mainly.
Nesaak Plains Mid North West: 2x wood, as a woodcutting factory is there, which we go to in the quest: "Underice"

PART 3: CORKUS/SOME OF OCEAN
Corkus is one of the more difficult areas to keep ahold of, and has some of the most infuriating territory resource distrubution. This shall hopefully help with some of them:


RESOURCES:
Fallen Factory: Oasis, since it doesn't fit any of the specifications of a territory for resources, just like ToA/Tomb
Phinas Farm: 2x Crop, farm, and is also one of the only crop territories in all of corkus, this isn't as big of a deal though.
Corkus Workshop: Ore, as it is a workshop area that takes place in the Feathers Fly questline.
Corkus City: Ore, as it is completely landlocked.
Corkus City South: Wood, as it is also completely landlocked and has quite a few bunches of trees within the territory.
Road to Mine: Ore, read the name again.
Corkus Sea Cove: Renamed to "Relos City" and given the city buffs *extra ems*
Zhight Island: Not exactly important, you could also make it Crop/Fish, like Maltic Coast

CONNECTIONS:
Zhight Island+Pirate Cove -> Corkus Statue: Theres no corkus docks where we land off at the start, so this is the best I got while being visually pleasing unless we wanna connect corkus castle

PART 4: Desert
Desert is one of the most landlockable claims in the game, and needs more entrances into the area, besides savannah.



RESOURCES:
Rymek East Lower: Rename to "Rymek Town" and give city bonuses, self expanatory.
Desert East Lower: Fish, as there are quite a few lakes as well as it being next to the desert's equivalent of the Nile River
Desert East Upper: Oasis, see the explanation for FallenF/Bobs Tomb
Savannah West Upper: Wood, as it has no crop areas within the entire area while having plenty of trees.

CONNECTIONS:

Ternaves -> Rymek West Upper: There is a path inbetween the two to go there, it goes beyond the Desert wall.
Abandoned Pass -> Rymek West Lower: This is a decent change that needs to be done. Though, I can understand why not as it is an ABANDONED PASS

PART 5: SILENT EXPANSE
Here it comes, the worst area in all of Wynn to manage. Truly the horror is great. It is time to deal with Silent Expanse


RESOURCES:
Worm Tunnel, Broken and Silent Road: Ore, as there are miner mobs in the area.
Forest of Eyes: 2x wood, not as important but would be helpful. this could be on Forest of Eyes or Sinister Forest.
The Gate/Sacrifice: Oasis, see explanation for FallenF/Tomb/DEU

ADDED TERRITORY: "Outlook" as an Oasis

CONNECTIONS:
Toxic Caves -> Void Valley: Simple, theres a path inbetween them.

CONTROVERSIAL:
The Gate -> Lutho: There is a portal from The Gate, to Lutho. While this is controversial, it also makes SE actually defendable, because it gives a connection for half of the area to reroute in case a territory there is taken. There will be a separate vote for this.


PART 7: MISC CHANGES
These are just small changes I'm not going to explain much, but are reasonable and do not need one.









SMALL CHANGELOG:
llevi entrance: Fish
Pre-Light forest trans: City, changed name to "Buice"
Aldorei Valley Upper: Oasis, could also just change name to "Aldorei"
Added connections between Guild hall and cinf county mid upper, aldorei lowlands, and Gylia SW
Otherworldly Monolith: Crop
Nemract Quarry+Ancient Nemract: Ore
Cath Harbor: 2x fish
corrupted road: Fish
Plains Lake: 2x fish
Nether Gate: Ore (mining operation, could also be an oasis)
added connection Elkurn -> Sanctuary Bridge
Added connection: Road to Time Valley -> Abandoned Farm (could also just connect Road to Time Valley -> Time Valley
Lava Lake and Lava Lake Bridge: Fish

Those are all the changes I have!

Thank you! :D sorry about the limited voting, Wynn only allows 10 poll questions sob

 

lets gooo pog changes
one of the things we discussed was having dernel jungle mid be ore because that's where wynn site d is, but I'm fine with it either way

 

Yoo Pally post Pally post, overall I think most changes are relatively sensible, though I can imagine opposition guilds won't exactly like the more sensible resource allocation due to it benefitting the guilds who currently have claims, but I'd argue that if the reason for a territory to produce what it should makes sense, it should rightfully produce that resource regardless of whatever's going on politics wise. Got my +1. However as just a small suggestion, why not also add a connection between Road to Time Valley and Time Valley? It's in the territory's name, after all. What's a road to a location doing not being connected to the location it purports to be a road to?

 

I don't war but this looks good :)

 

That should be on the territory change misc

 

Some of this is pretty cool stuff, but the constant 2x terrs and city terrs doesn't do it for me as most of that turns some areas from bad areas into op areas. The ore in jungle is just too much and should be a rarer resource. The changes in nesaak are unnecessary and the only one that sounds ok is nesaak village to fish terr. For corkus, the only changes that are reasonable is Road to mine as ore, maybe instead of a 2x crops terr changing another terr to crops and while I agree the terr should be called Relos, I don't think it should be a city. Desert changes are like perfect except for Rymek being a city. For SE, Id say to not have the extra terr added as that would provide xp problems and is just kinda useless, it has too many ores and that can easily be taken into Wynn province claims. That with the added connection to rymek would add like 8 ore territories all next to eachother which would be more than half the ore in Wynn. For Molten Heights maybe only one of the 2 being a fish terr and change the connection from rodoroc to entrance to rodoroc to, entrance to rodoroc to lava lake bridge. For the time valley, id recommend moving it to road to time valley to time valley. Everything in the central Wynn one around detlas is just way too op for an already good area of the map. For Nemract, way too much ore, just move the one ore terr to nemract quarry to be the only ore terr in nemract. The double fish could work here. Light realm works and the guild hall works. Aldorei Upper for rainbow is just too much as well. Bucie city is too op for a good area and entrance to llevi could work as fish. Alright those are all my opinions lol, I guess since there is a theme of making these kind of threads ill make one soon too lol.

 

the goal is to make bad areas less bad, and weird areas more story-accurate
i'll admit i went overboard on cities but some of the changes you refute as unnecessary are ones that make the territory resources more accurate to the story
also with cities, maybe if city rounding errors didn't exist we wouldn't be asking for more of them :)

 

Jungle:
conns from herb to jgl mid and tol make sense too as there are literal direct paths to them both from herb
tol ore over wood makes complete sense i like as does jgl lake fish/wood
dont think it should get 2x Oasis though dernel lower can stay feesh

Nessak:
icy ore meh no
2x wood on lumberyard I like npmnw sucks anyway
bobs oasis no thats 3x oasis in not that many terrs
Nessak fish, sure w/e

Cork/Ocean:
Zight should remain fish, mfs fish aint got time for CROP
Road to mine yes ore
add a conn between cork countryside and avos workshop there is a path bigger than the existing conn and makes more sense to come in the FRONT ENTERANCE
phinas even though its a farm its tiny, doesnt need 2x crop
countryside though has no relation to fish, could be a third wood terr more balance
ff oasis is gamer
cork city south wood meh

Desert:
Dont like ternaves conn
East lower has 3 ponds not FISH worthy, terr above has the gamer fish and can keep them,
east upper no oasis ppfart keep crop croppy crop
west upper ore yes the entire terr is a mine why is it crop, what are they growing??? SANDSTONE??
second city gaming

SE:
why worm tunnel ore and not grey zone/whatever its called now, literal only place in the game with dernic ore and it produces crop???
yes slime VV conn
yes gate oasis, no sac oasis, sac is ppfart dont do that
problem with se is it was designed to be a line when it was made without any of this in mind so to actually be good you need to make up conns, such as frog town to lutho, Gatway to nothing to lutho, get rid of Bizzare, completely wtf *spits*
worm tunnel is barren dont give it ore keep it crop for keeping it purposes

misc:
LLB doesnt need to change sure LL can
wtf is the abandoned farm conn they gonna fly ??? its abandoned anyway less conns means feeling of loneliness and emptiness and abandonment
nem quarry ore pog, wynn has ore terrs???
ancient nemract can stay malding it doesnt need ore >:C
rol can stay mad without a crop terr just leave it with oasis
aldorei no oasis
aldorei bad
alodrei bad because terr shapes bad
literal squares
poor foresight
jk
unless
top airbase conn bad x dislike
bottom is meh
middle i like
No bucie city, it is bridge with extra steps
llevi ent w/e

pally cool gamer thread

 

these all make sense but they make the balance of the game literal dog water (this implies that it already isnt but sshhhh) like
llevi plains doesnt need a second city
nesaak area is good as is and doesnt need another oasis
why are we making elkurn 7 links?
the whole point of ghall is to hq cinfras but like that balance sorta went nowhere lmao
desert doesnt need two cities, three connections to the outside, and the most balanced res in the game, like i wouldnt mind just adding miner base but everything else is flat out excessive
se balancing lol
while we do need more ore in wynn having three nodes right next to eachother is just sorta dumb (pigman ravines moment) i wouldnt mind if they were spread out

 

dababy lesgo

 

This is probably the main thing I disagree with, since I don’t want this to be added and cause a wave of trade routes being added for every fast travel. This would nullify like half of the maps trade routes lmao.

 

im gonna have to drop by sadly and put my 10,5 cents in, even tho I might be repeating what everyone else is saying

im also just rushing through it eheh, dont wanna spent too long my answer

at first ill give my opinion on if the area only is changed and after if all the changes are put into live

makes sense, jungL is awfull and 1 new ore terr in Wynn won't be too harsh, jungle has access to ores from great bridge nesaak and pigman, altho it is too unreliable because of the conns problem of that area overall

jungle has big ehp towers, it keeps the theme of it so seems fine to me

please no, 2 oasis in 11 terrs is kind of too op in my opinion, also game balancing > game logic, for some areas like jungle lake its blatant, but a shaman..?

nothing to say except yes

game balance > game logic, I don't think adding 2 ores terrs with decent connections would be balanced, ToL is fine because it adds valor to north jungle where as it stands rn it only exists for Troms

sounds good to me, conns buff is what jungle needs the most

same as above, tho not herb to ToL plsss

Nesaak time

Nesaak doesnt need more ore, even less if you get your oasis on bob too, the challenge of nesaak is having 2 cities but not enough ore to max boost them in ems production, if you get access to both cities on max ems production, you have wayyyyy too many ressources at your disposition, even if they're behind chokes (easily 99k ores per hour) also having an ore terr dirrectly next to the HQ spot doesnt feel right in a province where each ore terrs are to be treated like a diamond (eheh)

there's already 2 oasis for 15 terrs, its a lot tbh and the gimmicks of them is they're behind healthy chokes (twain lake and icy descent)

sounds right, wouldnt hurt game balance and would buff the fact that you only have 1 fish terr and 2 oasis, seems good to me

nononononoonononononono, this territory sucks ass and could use a buff individually, but not a double wood terr, double prod terrs are usually locked behind a choke point (dernel upper, mummy tomb, imp gate, etc.) but this one has a conn on one of your best terr (nesaak plains lower NW) so it rarely falls, also I don't think wood production is a problem at all in nesaak, even if you'd lose 10800 from nesaak, bob and icy

Corkus hurt my head, so ill skip some of it but

2 double terrs next to each others??? you don't even need a city anymore lmfaooo, thats a straight na for me, id rather see 2 crops terrs than a double crop

its not because its a road that it is the mine

PLEASE NO, YOU HAVE 2 DOUBLE TERRS, 2 CITIES, 2 OASIS IN 27 TERRS

also 2 cities in the space of 4 terrs, ehhhh

oh and relos isnt that much of a city, there's not even a bank or a blacksmith iirc

its HIGHLY logical, but I do believe there shouldnt be a new way to enter corkus, as it stands rn, you can play on closed terrs to give people from wynn/gavel bigger timers and thats a gimmick I think is really needed for people attacking corkus, adding a 3rd way sort of give everyone a new form of ez timers to mid Corkus and make that strat harder

no it doesnt, otherwise, I present to you: THE Wynn guild! (it also sums up the whole desert change)


86 territories
5 cities
2 double crops
near unchokable throughout areas
11 ore terrs in "the area that's supposed to not have a lot of ores" (5 of them being right next to each others)
4 oasis

yea, no thanks

sure, if desert east mid becomes crops tho

that would be one of the only terr I would accept to be ore/oasis, because its behind a choke (like mummy)

nah, desert area's challenge is to cling up on any wood you can, its a good challenge at the moment because overextend too much and the chokes becomes dangerous, but will you have enough on 1 oasis and vanah east lower?

overall, I really don't think desert needs a nerf atm, its one of the most solid claim of the game, the only problem is that pretty much everyone who tried to held it vanished at the time they were needed to shine or overextended deeply westward

I almost forgot this one... no pls, same as relos, also personnal bias maybe but I fucking hate rymek, you can't even use the guild bank there

>part 5, SE
>day immediatly ruined

Now, I believe SE needs to be hard af to hold, because its one of the most paying area in both prof and mob xp, maybe not as bad as it is right now, but it needs to be hard

adding 3 whole ass ore terrs??? IN WYNN??? WHYYYY, it just sounds like an extra day of field trip for the mid Wynn guild (currently TNL) for extra ores

this should be on neither, you don't just put in double terrs in random areas cause it can look nice, especially on a 2 conn terr

3 oasis in a row, what the fuck..? im sorry but this is awfull game balance because "it looks good", also EO being an ore there would fit better, be in the end of the area so far of access and give a purpose to going balls deep into SE

please yes.

I want more connections, there is no other way I can think of to add connections, but it sure is whacky... verdict: sure lol why not

in the end, I think SE need conns buff, not ressources, locking away ore (poor pvp damage :/ ) is a great way to play the high risk high reward area imo, not the conns tho thats for sure

Part 6:

Part 7:

makes sense, would be balanced, sounds good to me

please no more city, especially in one of the best claim of the game

2 oasis close enough to cinfras, meh, that area is pretty bad but its bcs of the conns tbh

nah, guild hall being choked by cinfras is the good thing to me tbh

ye sure, sounds like a neat lil buff to light realm

PLEASE NO MORE ORES IN WYNN
altho id be fine with quarry if nemract road becomes crop

no.

road maybe.

but plains lake and cath harbour...

2 double fish terrs kinda close to each others...

a double fish terr on a 6 conn terr...

a double fish terr right next to the best HQ spot in Wynn and mine base plains otherwise (oh and 4 conns double fish, no ty)

double terrs needs to be locked behind a choke to make them high risk high reward

its highly logical, but again more ores in wynn ehhhh, especially right next to nether plains upper

we did it guys

THE

7 connections terr

do I need to say more?

not much to say except "sure I guess lel"

why doe

And now for the overall

Wynn would have too much ores

You can make THE Wynn guild

Too much new cities in closely packed areas

Too much new double terrs that aren't chokable

Game balance > game logic

ye I think thats all...

bring back Qira Battle Room pls

 

Thanks for everyone’s opinions and help, I’ll be editing the post sometime later today to fit in more with game balance > logic, was made at 1:30 am lmao

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Maybe the Wynn guild was the friends we made along the way.

 

have u considered maybe they just don't want guilds owning areas like jungle? it could probably be just a harder spot to defend to incentivize other areas