World Life Steal Mini Rework

I recently got back into Wynn after a hiatus that was about 6-7 months long to play the update after playing some other games, I had to redo a few builds to optimize them for tcc (tank meta woo kill me). Unfortunately it wasn't until now that I realized how absolutely terrible the life steal system is in this game, I originally thought about life steal being made into a % value that would be based on your melee damage, but that would hurt hybrid builds and be pretty insane for melee builds since your dps/damage will probably be too close to your hp value so with certain damage multipliers like powder specials or spells it would be a bit busted.

My friends and I have tried making builds that can sustain fairly well in TCC raids, only to fail because again life steal in this game kinda blows in general because of how "rng fucks with the actual values and that averages dont mean consistancy" -Slash and greed builds didn't really help all that much since in our personal experience (idk if we're just super unlucky) we only got a max of 1 emerald per entity we were attacking with something like 32% stealing, which is also kinda dumb, maybe a relatively short cooldown for getting emeralds from stealing could fix that, but that's a topic for another thread, here I'd like to talk about life steal.

As a fix I'd like to propose life steal's attack speed multiplier be changed from the likelihood that you'd receive life steal per hit to life steal being divided by how many attacks you can deal per second and making it a 100% chance to proc each hit. This would make life steal actually consistent and it would reward the players that opt for hybrid and melee builds to sacrifice dps in exchange for health sustain. As for power specials I think they should have a life steal multiplier cap that would make it so you dont just get all your health back from a chain lightning or quake, I think the cap should just be your double your life steal value or something like that. This way you'd be given a better reward for sacrificing dps you'd have in a spell build in exchange for a safer play style.

How many times you can attack per second:
super fast 4.3
very fast 3.1
fast 2.5
normal 2.05
slow 1.5
very slow 0.83
super slow 0.51

For example if I have a build that has 1000 life steal and my attack speed is super fast I would be getting about 174: (1000/4.3)x.75 life steal per hit (round that decimal however you'd like honestly it doesn't make a big difference) and a super slow build would get around 1471: (1000/.51)x.75 life steal per hit. The fact that I can go 5 hits and get nothing in terms of life steal with a super slow build is a big problem to me so this would just greatly improve life steal and the fact that it's currently a % chance to proc just doesn't make sense at all.

Thanks to @Toaster and Slash for helping me come up with this idea, please consider this fix to life steal because it kinda blows right now :)

Edit: I also forgot to add that there would also have to be something like a universal life steal nerf or another multiplier like .75 that would reduce the life steal a bit since it would be a bit busted without that lmao, my bad

 

I love this idea! Randomized Life/Mana steal has never made sense to me

 

make hybrid builds good again plsssss

 

tbh I don't even know what to do about mana steal since this idea would never work with how small the values are, but yeah randomized stealing is really dumb imo

 

pog .

 

This is actually quite a good fix for lifesteal! We'd need to find something else for mana steal though. I'd have to think a bit more for mana steal. But yes, it shouldn't be totally random and have the extreme edge towards super slow speed too.

 

Add a poll, +1.

 

dank memes

+1

 

Absolutely yes. I would love this way more than the current life steal. Mana steal is still a confusing one, but there's definitely a way. I actually didn't know it was a chance to proc (probably since I don't really use life/mana steal and just go for regen).

 

So there was an idea presented about mana steal where it has a four second cooldown and then whenever you hit it activates and then has the cooldown again. Maybe not the best but way better than RNG!

 

ik i was there for that lol, but I agree.

 

It would be interesting, but rounding would make this... weird.

Would it round to ceiling, floor, or nearest?

This would make Shaman life/mana steal kind of funky. ie: you have 10ms, super slow (0.51 hits per second). This means you would have 5.1 ms per hit. Divide by 3 to get the ms per beam, and you get 1.7 per. Rounding to the nearest, you get 2 per beam. Multiply by 3 to get 6. Divide by 0.51 and you get 11.7. Now you have an extra 1.7 ms!

 

Mana steal isn't a part of this, I thought I talked about it here, but yeah the mana steal values are way too small to manipulate this way, I talked to someone about this that wanted a cooldown for lifesteal instead of this life steal idea and I wasn't exactly a fan of that, however I did think that the cooldown idea would be good for mana steal.

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I'm pretty sure this image is like NSFW

 

rly?
An actor with fake blood, disguised as a vampire is NSFW?

@Naraka00 is this picture NSFW?
I think it isnt but maybe ask to be sure ... pls help

 

Sorry it was meant as kinda a joke - pretty disgusting though

 

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bump 10char

 

Idk how I feel about your proposed change to life steal but I acknowledge that it is currently flawed in practice.