[discussion] The Mystery Of The 18k Damage Eye Meteor (solved)

I've been trying to speedrun the Eye for a little while now with my Hero build, but I've started to encounter a very strange problem, I'm getting one-shotted by the Eye at crazy amounts of EHP

Near the end of the video you can see me take 18k (ehp) damage from a meteor

My health:
3320/(.5*.461*.8)=18004 EHP (war scream doesn't stack with Saviour's)
(current health)/(Saviour's sacrifice*defense skill points*warrior base)
That means, in one frame, I took 18k damage from the Eye, presumably from the meteor spell, which is nearly impossible since the meteor spell is only supposed to do 7k max (according to the Atlas discord)

Ele defs have also been discussed, but it shouldn't account for 11k more damage unless the eye meteor spell multiplier is absolutely ludicrous.

If anyone has any explanation or discussion for this, that would be greatly appreciated.

 

As far as my understanding it is due to element defenses. They were never changed to my formal. Which is disappointing, because it often ends up doing very odd things like this.

I cant say exactly how it works, due to not having the numbers, but element defense is still added to the base damage of something, which leads to some werid calculations depending on the spell. I'm not sure why this is, but after testing, it seems nearly random.

Another thing is saviors sacrifice doesn't seem to work properly, so that probably contributes.

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Note this could be wrong. Frankly the current formla makes no sense, at all.

 

Out of curiosity, in what ways does saviour's not work properly? (Just if you know off the top of your head, I could prolly do some testing too)

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I'ma do some more testing today, taking eye meteors with different ele defs

But yeah, if the Eye really does have that high of a spell damage modifier, that's so fucked. Ele defs might actually matter for the Eye.

 

I'm not entirely sure, I just know the other day I was playing my hero build, and me a friend were testing my damages against him.
Oddly enough, the damage was unaffected by whether or not he was close enough to get the buff, at all.
another friend and I did some testing on qira after that, and as far as we could tell, it had a slight effect, but almost no effect.

 

Interesting. In my testing, the Damage buff atleast has been consistent both in PVP and in PVE, I haven't done too much testing with the defense buff though (I know Ingo did some testing to find that the bonus was multiplicative though).

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Reviewing my video the damage buff was active during it (Of course, I can't gauruntee my defense buff was active, but the damage buff was definitely active)

 

The meteor deals 700% damage if casted thrice in a row, 800% if casted between the arrow storms(which judging by the video, it was).

 

I was specifically talking about the defense buff, the strength buff works fine as far as I know.

 

From what I've tested in PvP when the defence buff works (idk if it buggs out sometimes) it works as intended for melee, and I am pretty sure that it does the same for spell although I haven't tested it to a good enough extent.
(You can look at the formulas in my thread to see why the saviour's defence buff is pretty meh, just like any other defence in pvp).

 

MYSTERY SOLVED!
Defence does not reduce elemental weaknesses, and so with an 800% meteor multiplier from elemental damage alone you would take
378*8=3024

Combine that with meteor's neutral and even with your level of defence + saviours it would be enough to kill you when you're at ~3300 HP.

 

Perfect, thanks for the help everyone!