World Qira Hive Revamp (as A Location)

Ever since my first full 1-100 class run (ya i played before 1.18), the hive stood as monument of Truly understanding Each element and their quirks. However, such challenge area is always seems to lack what you need in order to beat it; Preparations.

The Hive located Far from any banks or potion shops (with the skill point pots) , closest bank is in Thanos, around 1.5-2 minutes ride with max white horse, and nearest proper potion shop is located in Rodoroc, which Is a huge pain to get there if you haven't done Dwarves and doguns part II (which unlock Thanos-Rodoroc fast travel) and was even worse as before 1.18, that tunnel didn't exist at all, making around 3-4 minutes run to Rodoroc from Thanos, and a lot longer if you walk through the canyon to get the Rodoroc.

Not only that, Tower of ascension, which have a lot of similarities to The hive, offers a very close spawn point, bank and potion shop (not with skill points pots but its still good enough) in Lusaco, while The Hive have no close bank, pot shop for its completion level, and no close spawn point, and before you say that Eltom is close enough to the hive, its not. It's long ride (even longer if you didn't even done the hidden city) and annoying as Lusaco was much closer to T0A then as Eltom close to The Hive.

The point im trying to make here, is that the Hive deserves its own bank, spawn point and proper potion shop for the warring players of wynncraft who seek challenge.

Slightly more underrated idea too is to add a scroll shop to the hive too, as Thanos don't have scrolls and Rodoroc/Theased/Eltom are fairly expansive if you aren't in their reletive scroll shop (oh god around 400-500 emeralds per scroll in ahmsord wtf)

Would like to hear opinions and other ideas for hive revamp

 

so firstly just fix the respawn mechanics so that you don't get thrown to Eltom

Thanos has potions up to 100, I think that's enough.

for scrolls, sure. I'd be happy to have Thanos/Hive scrolls

 

To be fair, I agree that Qira could use a potion shop and a bank

 

last time i checked, they were to lvl 90

 

If that's the case, then yeah, they should change that.

 

Then you checked back in beta before Gavel was released. They've sold up to Lv 100 for ages. And...1-2 minutes ride on a 40/40 white horse? More like 1-2 minutes walk with no horse. Thanos acts as a hub already, it just needs to get a scroll and the respawn mechanics need to be fixed. A Thanos redo to make things more convenient to get would be appreciated by everyone, but it's certainly not the worst it could be even now. Hive is so close that adding a potion shop and bank would be completely redundant.

 

Can we get a respawn point though? It’s just annoying without one.

 

Respawning immediately at the Hive if you die? You most likely died because you weren't prepared. What would the point be to spawn you right back where you can try again, if you failed because you weren't ready in the first place? Wouldn't it be better to put you in a place right nearby where you can stock up on equipment and store your things?

 

No because people still make genuine mistakes and most of all, LAG. And it is some of the hardest content in the game so naturally it’s acceptable to repeat it just to learn attack patterns. You’re not meant to just breeze through it on your first run.

Plus flamethrower is a bitch.

 

Agreed

 

I've died to Qira multiple times on classes I know can solo her fairly easily just because I was being stupid, or the almighty lag looked down upon me and decided it was my time. I'd much rather have to run back to Thanos if I'm giving up than to have to run back to the Hive if I'm continuing.

 

I like how you're saying this when if you die in LI you respawn at the LI entrance at the first place, unless its that at Hive there's nothing other than the hive merchant and a smith near it, if in that case just give hive the merchants LI has (Except for the rewards, what I mean is that Hive should have a bank, item IDer, and a pot merchant, powder master, and hive Tp scroll closer to the hive then thanos is, and I can't see why this can't happen as corkus city is kind of close to LI and LI has similar merchants)

Anyway Lusuco is just a bit closer to toa than thanos is to hive, and thanos has everything lusuco has that you need to prepare (Though idk if thanos has a pot merchant) and also thanos has a bank and is pretty close to hive, and what I said above can help as well.

Also please don't make Maex and eltom a spawn point if you die in hive as it may take a bit to get to rodo to fast travel to hive, Thanos is a good respawn.

 

You've seen how many people have to ask for help against bosses like Qira in the planning parlour or the discord, right? The Hive is a much more difficult place for a large majority of players than it is for ones that have a decent amount of experience with both building and the game's own mechanics. It might be slightly more convenient for people with experience who just died from lag to pop right back up at the Hive and keep going, but for a significant chunk of players, being forced out into a nearby town as a rest stop will be more convenient and segment the gameplay better for them.

Additionally, given that the Hive is a quest, it's somewhat different from LI. LI is a challenge meant to be run multiple times, and has a payment attached to it. Due to LI's scaling prize mechanics, running it multiple times even at a loss is encouraged so you can get to the useful accessories which can require multiple runs to get. The Hive has no such mechanics to encourage an immediate respawn there. Additionally, LI is actually in a(comparatively) really secluded spot, whereas the Hive is just right down the road from Thanos- it's almost like trying to say that Ternaves needs a bank and potion merchant. The Hive is somewhat of a challenge hub, but so is the Tower of Ascension- the walk being an extra 30 seconds or so doesn't mean that it needs all the amenities you can find right there in Thanos.

 

I guess Thanos isn't the worst but it also respawns you in Eltom or Maex depending on the division you do, which is worse. Having a set spawnpoint would alleviate this, but this is part of the larger problem with the spawning system in general.

Well yeah, we've never disagreed with how hard it is. We're just saying that it's more likely that you'll die from a mistake or something stupid like lag rather than because you don't know what you're doing. Because usually people can just ask for help once or twice and they'll be set for the rest of the Hive in terms of knowing what build to use or what stratetgy to beat the floors/bosses. Whereas lagging or being killed from a mistake (especially from flamethrower) can happen much more frequently to anyone regardless of how much they know about the mechanics/builds to use.

Or we could just kill 2 birds with one stone and add a bank along with a spawn point at the Hive. That way there's no cons and it only helps everyone.

 

webdrone village as a part of the area would be cool

 

I really think you underestimate how challenging the Hive really can be for people. Lag is, like...sure. But lots of people make mistakes regularly, and the way to fix those mistakes is by healing- potions or otherwise. If you run out, you can't fix your mistakes, and you die, and need to buy more. I can say with absolute certainty that a lot more players die in Hive for those reasons, and if they respawned right there then they'd have to walk to Thanos, buy more potions, and then walk back, whereas if they popped up directly in Thanos, they'd only have to make the trip once, should they decide to try again.

Again, it's like adding a bank in Ternaves. It's so close to Detlas that there's no point in doing so. The Hive is in a similar boat. It would be completely redundant and make the Hive, which is intended to be a decently hostile environment, into something that feels welcoming, and that's not the kind of feel it should have. It should be foreboding and imposing, and Thanos acting as the nearest hub works out fine gameplay-wise. Why make such a major sacrifice to feel for such a trivial convenience that could be better-fixed by just improving Thanos?

 

That makes sense I guess. I don't know if I fully agree with it, but fixing respawning mechanics as a whole would really help. That said, I do get really sick of the run back sometimes when I'm doing it, even from Thanos, so perhaps a slightly quicker run or a closer spawnpoint would be a nice change.

 

Qira is no harder than Dr L's first phase (MF uses flamethrower and fireball spams making close range painful af), and also I found her very easy in endgame (No mythics, but maybe aura is just op as hell against her, but I was pretty tanky and had weak damage) and also, why does ToL have a bank when Troms exist, seems a bit weird you'd say that when there's a situation like that. And also potions and stuff like that doesn't always help, knowing how to do a strategy well against a boss helps a lot in finishing the boss off, having a good build can't solve everything.

 

My main gripe is that dying in the Hive should respawn in Thanos, but, to say something different, the most annoying thing is how far of a walk it is to buy potions in Thanos (move it out of the bazar and into the main area).

 

It was to make getting access to the Temple of Legends in pre-gavel days more rewarding, since the grind spot there used to be far better. Even though it's changed, the bank remains more out of tradition than anything- it's a wholly different scenario, though I agree that the bank there has basically always been redundant.