Dungeons Fixing Charon's Fight

We all know the issues with this fight, Graken is the only good troop, and beating the fight consists of just spamming Grakens and hope they do the job, if you don't spam them you are locked until you die
So I'm here to solve this issue
First of all, the idea is good, you are the commander who decides who goes into the battlefield and you can also occasionally go into the fight to aid the troops

The issue is the execution, with the main issue being what I've mentioned before, every troop is weak except for Graken, who you can spam and will win the fight for you

So to fix this, first of all, we need to rework how the fight works
1. Add a system that gives you points over time to summon troops with
This idea is simple, instead of a cooldown, make it so you can accumulate points to summon troops with, and replace the pressure plates with buttons (or even an NPC but NPCs can get double inputs and send more troops that you actually want to), this way there is no cooldown and you can spawn multiple troops quickly, also not using the pressure plate inmediately after the cooldown is over wont be a punishment
This way, if the enemies start becoming overwhelming, you can always try playing more defensive, saving forces and fighting the enemies yourself trying to control their growth so when you spawn your new wave of troops, they take care of them, complementing the game's main combat system with the troops gimmick
How will it be displayed? I thought of two possibilities
1. Replace coordinates (not sprint bar though because the idea is that you also need to fight at some point) during the fight and show them there
2. Remember the second hand slot added in 1.9? Well, we will use it there, the number of points will be there, it should look something like this
This way you have a clear way of knowing how much points you have to spend on the troops
The ways to obtain points are the following:
1. Over time (1 point/2 seconds)
2. Killing enemies

2. Reworks to the troops
Note: I have no way of testing this so it might be unbalanced but I'm doing my best to make them reasonable
Also the "Speed: Player's" means the vanilla player's speed, the number afterwards is the walk speed bonus the troops would have
We now have a new system to work with
So here is the thing, the issue with troops is that they are all Brawl Ganondorf (AKA really bad) and Graken is Brawl Meta Knight (AKA really good)
So let's rework them
Player's troops

Spoiler: Graken

Point cost: 12
Extra: You can only have one at once
Health: 5000
Damage: 700 neutral damage
Speed: Player's +15%
Purpose: Hero-like troop that can deal with anything, while still having limitations

Spoiler: Defenders

Point cost: 8
Extra: They are the target priority by enemy troops
Health: 3000, +100 thunder defense, -100 earth defense
Damage: 50
Speed: Player's -25%
Purpose: Tank

Spoiler: Slayers

Point cost: 4
Health: 900
Damage: 450 thunder damage
Speed: Player's +20%
Purpose: Crowd control and being a crowd itself

Spoiler: Warriors

Point cost: 9
Health: 1300
Damage: 700 earth damage
Speed: Player's
Purpose: Tank killer

Spoiler: Scouts

Point cost: 7
Extra: Instead of being a melee troop, they will have bows that can shoot from the distance
Health: 600
Damage: 275 air damage
Speed: Player's
Purpose: Variation in the ways to deal damage

Charon's troops
Note: Due to the player's health being way lower than these values at level 24 (averaging 300-750), the player should take 25% of the damage the troops actually deal, to avoid getting one-shot

Spoiler: Forsaken legion Defender

Extra: They are prioritized by the player's troops
Health: 2500, +100 thunder defense, -100 earth defense
Damage: 100
Speed: Player's -25%
Spawn timer: 9 seconds
Purpose: Tanking
Amount of points on kill: 6

Spoiler: Forsaken legion Slayer

Health: 800
Damage: 475 thunder damage
Speed: Player's +25%
Spawn timer: 3 seconds
Purpose: Crowd control and being a crowd itself
Amount of points on kill: 3

Spoiler: Forsaken legion Warrior

Health: 1275
Damage: 650 earth damage
Speed: Player's
Spawn timer: 6 seconds
Purpose: Tank killer
Amount of points on kill: 4

Spoiler: Forsaken legion Scout

Extra: Instead of being a melee troop, they will have bows that can shoot from the distance
Health: 525
Damage: 250 air damage
Speed: Player's
Spawn timer: 6 seconds
Purpose: Variation in the ways to deal damage
Amount of points on kill: 3

So while you have your points, Charon will simply have a timer for each troop that summons them periodically, just like the current fight
However, each troop has an individual timer, unlike the current player's troop, meaning that at second 3 a slayer will spawn, and then at second 6 a warrior will spawn, instead of the warrior spawning at second 9

The way to kill Charon should be the same, overwhelm Charon's troops and let them kill him
However...

Spoiler: Forsaken legion Commander: Charon

Health: 18500
Damage: 800 neutral damage
Speed: Player's
Spawn timer: None
Purpose: Dungeon boss

Charon will behave differently, instead of just standing there, he will be a troop, the counterpart to Graken but much stronger due to Graken being able to revive during the fight

The way the fight should go should be like this:
At first you have almost no points, so you enter the battlefield and slay some enemy troops to gather points, once you have gathered lots, you start summoning your troops to deal with the enemy's, while the enemy troops are distracted, you either kill them to summon even more troops or to inflict damage to Charon

Of course this might require a bit of rework on the pre-boss dialogue with Graken, as he claims you can just sit there and send the army in, but I think my idea of how this fight should go is more fun than what we currently have

It is 2:50AM at the time I post this and I have to head to bed so I'll probably check the thread during the morning to rework some aspects such as balancing or some idea reworking
Also due to the hour I've written this at, I might have rushed a bit some ideas due to a lack of time, I'll fix those in the morning as I've said

 

Good Idea, however i still think They should just change a bit the minions of Charon into forcing you to actually using others (like swarm type that force you use the slayer, assassins that spawns in the back of the room giving adventage to the defenders, tank foe that weak to earth enough to make you choose the earth soldier, etc,)

 

Absolutely agree!

Afaik the server runs on 1.8

 

Wait
What

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Well a few lines of code should be able to make "If enemy hits X, the enemy deals 100% · Damage, if enemy hits [Player], the enemy deals 25% · Damage"
I don't program so I don't know how long would that be in Wynncraft's programming language, all I know is that it should kinda look like that in human language
I guess?

Yeah I was short on time but I should do elemental weaknesses too

 

no it runs on 1.12
go to the toxic wastes and look at the glazed terracotta for an example
the server also literally says that it is 1.12
if you try to play on 1.8 i'm pretty sure it doesn't work

also yes to this suggestion except graken should prioritize charon

 

Then how can you play on 1.9?
It is only internal (because performace).

 

You can't play in 1.8 though

Can someone who knows what version the server runs at tell us what version the server runs on so we know what can be done and what can't be done?

 

almost 100% sure its 1.12

 

almost 100% sure its 1.8

 

Well it doesn't matter, if the 2nd hand slot idea doesn't work, we got the 1st idea to work with

 

Or title bar

 

By that logic, it is 1.13 because the Lutho's Domesticated Kantyrs make dolphin sounds. Alternatively, because the commands use 1.8 syntax, the server is on 1.8. By a third kind of (humorous) logic, the server is on 1.19 and will update to 1.20 soon (TM). But I'm pretty sure, like Samsam101, that it's 1.12 (actually, I think it's 1.12.2). I can't remember a source for that information, though.

I don't think Charon's fight deserves to be the one use of the off-hand, so I'm currently against having the counter in the off-hand. I prefer idea #1.

#1 here is going to account for the vast majority of points. Since there will be several seconds between each kill, the 1/kill will have a very small effect compared to the 1/second. If the player gets 1 kill/5 seconds, then it equates 1.2 points per second, which is only a slight increase from 1 point per second in exchange for the work of killing an enemy. I recommend increasing the points per kill, and have it vary from one mob to another (e.g., Scout is 15, Warrior is 20, Slayer is 60, Defender is 450--those numbers are in no way balanced, but you get the idea).

 

thats what i meant lol

 

Sounds good