World [35+ Supporters] Soul Points+: A Desperately Needed Soul Point Rework.

lol I read the help page before playing Wynn

 

whoa we have a rare specimen here!!

 

My thought is that this is still not punishable enough to prevent /kill spamming if you are just solely using it to transport or some reasons, if their main goal wasn’t to kill mobs or grind profs however much time, then /killing is viable.

Scrolls (if they still take up soul points) would be really bad for lower levels because if you use teleport scrolls you lose 1 sp without losing any items or ingredients, but now there will be a big nerf for lower levels who don’t have enough sp to do anything

 

Yeah, and losing all your items doesn't? This is preferable by far. Read my reply to Nagisa.

Only if you spam them, the demerits only start a 6 sp. Maybe making scrolls not cost any sp would be a good idea, since they already have an emerald cost.
Thanks for this comment btw. I think removing scroll sp cost solves the issue.

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Soulpoint regen still takes time, so... the transport point isn't really a problem. People /kill in the current system anyway for quick transport/unstuck, and you can't ever fix that.

 

idk if you have this accounted for @Saya but imo sp should be global across classes to prevent u from escaping to another class in order to dodge sp loss, would make your prof/hunter thing actually work instead of being p2w

 

@Goden Thought more about the hunter/profer dynamic, completely changed (you'll like the changes)

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That's a bit of an issue. Keeping them class-based is a better idea, and it's no more p2w than it already is. So I think the answer is no.

 

Also no because some random guy that has 200 stacks of le can buy a stack of scrolls to every single place and then they have fast travel literally anywhere for free

 

I don't get the logic here. Scrolls having a SP cost in the first place is pretty flawed, and removing it won't make them OP.

 

So that you can literally spam scrolls and go to every single place on the map instantly with NO penalty at all? That seems kind of OP to me.

The SP requirement limits the use of scrolls.

The logic is that it is overpowered to exist in 10 cities at the same time

 

Fast travel exists too, for no cost whatsoever. Scrolls already have an emerald cost and inventory space cost. The emerald cost alone should be the only cost, even in the current system.

Please think about what you're saying. This isn't constructive and isn't logical either. Scrolls not having a SP cost in the SP+ system helps newbies and gives convenience to everyone, while keeping the emerald cost.

 

In addition to what Saya said, is that not the current system (sort of)? Say I want to teleport from Detlas to ahmsord. I use a scroll and boom. I'm there. Since you gain 1-2 soul points in a day (every 20 minutes), I can't see what advantage that would be for people who can teleport everywhere more than currently. Unless you're doing profs, why would you need to travel quickly to multiple spots in 20 minutes? Why would someone go from Detlas to ahmsord then ahmsord to llevigar? The only reason I can think of is because they don't have one of the llevigar scrolls in their inventory. In that case, you go to ahmsord then to llevigar. I highly doubt you'll need to go anywhere in the next 20 minutes, which will give you back the two you just spent. This would only benefit profers. Some have already complained about this being worse than the current situation in relation to profs.

 

Fast travels like the airship only go from certain places to others, and my point was that it would be super op on a player that has stacks and stacks of LE.

as I said in my first post

 

Multiple characters certainly achieves that, I still don't see any logic. The soul point cost currently doesn't inhibit traveling to many cities using scrolls or fast travel, while it is much harder on newer players.

This is the same logic as saying that we shouldn't have mythics because the rich can buy them and be more powerful. Please tell me you're joking when you say this is logical.

Again, the emerald cost. This is getting ridiculous.

 

K whatever I just think that the SP penalty should stay, if it is removed then that's fine too. I understand your points, in my opinion there should just be a larger penalty than a few emeralds. I see no point in continuing this conversation now.

 

I give logical responses to your wild statements like "some random guy that has 200 stacks of le can buy a stack of scrolls to every single place and then they have fast travel literally anywhere for free", and all you say is "whatever"? Do you read your own messages? Do you understand the issues with what you're saying? Do you understand that what you said has no relation to SP costs being a necessity, and you're using an outlier as an example that travel is "free", when emerald costs still exist?

You could have made a point about scroll SP costs, but you didn't say anything that helped make that point in the slightest. I know that the usual quality of suggestions makes it easy to pile on and say bad things about them, but this actually has thought put into it- if you're here just to be negative, get out.

 

I am trying to say that this subject isn't that important to me now, you might be right, you probably are, I am not saying that I do not care about your responses.

My original point was just that the fast travel that scrolls give to every point in the map is/can be an overpowered advantage to rich players, and that the SP penalty limits it just nicely. The travelling is "free" from their perspective.

(yes they're rich so they have stuff etc. I get that)

 

It may not be important to you now, but it's important to me now because of how ridiculous your attempt at making a point was.

"that scrolls give to every point in the map is/can be an overpowered advantage to rich players,"​

clearly you don't...

Another attempt at late editing to try and make it seem like you have a point. Of course it's "free". But the lack of cost benefits new players much more, because the cap is 10 at the start. That's way more % of sp saved. You have to think of both sides here.

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The original attempt is still borderline nonsense. Of course rich players have an advantage. More resources = more. It's that simple. And fast travel is so complete now that it's almost preferable over scrolls (the nexus is one example).





Read this. This is good criticism.

This (thanks bear!) takes into account actual player conditions while pointing out an actual issue that led to me realizing that removing the sp cost for scrolls was a good idea. It's coherent, clear, and logical, qualities that are missing from all of your messages.

 

I understand that it isn't a well-detailed idea, it's just something that came to my mind, and as I said, you are probably right. The emerald cost probably is enough.

 

It's not the detail that's important. Your points just didn't exist logically. At all. And when you're still trying to say things like "probably right" and "probably is enough" after being pretty extreme in your words, I'm just really disgusted.

 

A genuinely interesting idea, but I personally don't like it, as if I wanted to teleport to say Rodoroc to grind all my damage would be lessened, which I think would be unfair. Soul points are more a deterrent than an actual system put in place to punish. But I love the fair amount of thought you put into this Saya