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Game Design Melee Damage Confuses People

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by highbread, Mar 13, 2018.

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  1. highbread

    highbread highbread HERO

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    alright so you know that id called melee damage
    increases damage of the basic attack

    well, it's throwing off a lot of new players, making some archers and mages think that it does nothing for them cause it's called melee damage.

    now, i don't know exactly what would be an appropriate way to help them understand, but something should be added or changed so this kind of thing can be avoided.

    there's my feedback
     
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    T-Flex At the gym HERO

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    Yep.
    When I 1st started playing after Gavel update, I couldn't fandom why archer's default attack, that in no universe is a melee, is called melee.
     
  3. XavierEXE

    XavierEXE ♪ Wynncraft's Composer and Ability Tree Lead ♫ ♪ Music Item Team CHAMPION

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    Wynncraft is a world where Melee = Anything not Spell, it's so bizarre >_<
     
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  4. Khaps

    Khaps Ex-moderator and leader of the Mythic Emporium HERO

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    Definitevely change that, I was confused for a really long time too
     
  5. coolname2034

    coolname2034 Formerly known as NPCGrian HERO

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    Change to basic
     
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  6. Selvut283

    Selvut283 Circadian rhythm stuck on Tokyo time ♪ Music GM CHAMPION

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    But it affects powder specials too
     
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    Salted Game Design & Wynncraft Founder Staff Member Admin GM CHAMPION

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    I agree. Do you guys have some good ideas to replace it with? I'm worried changing it to "basic/default/main" might make newbies think it only affect neutral damage instead of the main attack.
     
  8. highbread

    highbread highbread HERO

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    i was thinking "General Damage" maybe? we dont have to worry about people thinking it's related to spell damage as that has its own id, and calling it "General" will cover all of its aspects, being basic attack and powder specials.
    thoughts?
     
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    CountBurn Hackysack? HERO

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    general damage is all damage not melee
     
  10. XavierEXE

    XavierEXE ♪ Wynncraft's Composer and Ability Tree Lead ♫ ♪ Music Item Team CHAMPION

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    Unspell Damage :D
     
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  11. coolname2034

    coolname2034 Formerly known as NPCGrian HERO

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    Uhhh...
    Primary?
     
  12. xXHappywheelsXx

    xXHappywheelsXx Well-Known Adventurer

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    Basic Attack Damage maybe...
     
  13. ItsFreakinHarry

    ItsFreakinHarry The Insane Suggestion Creator

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    Standard attack? If these confuse people maybe make it so after the description of what Strength does it could say "(A Standard Attack is any damage dealt with your weapon that is not a spell or powder special.)" or "(A Standard Attack is the attack your weapon deals when left clicking for Warrior's, Mage's, and Assassin's, or right clicking for Archer's.)
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    Or just be specific and say (Strength bonuses impact elemental damage dealt by Standard Attacks.)
     
  14. Selvut283

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    Strength increases all damage dealt, not just melee
     
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    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    I think general or primary damage will do.
     
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    AmbassadorArt Protesting bad changes since 2019 VIP+

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    "General" is an overlapping term by definition, so that might not work.

    Owait

    Why not "weapon damage?"
     
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    ItsFreakinHarry The Insane Suggestion Creator

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    I see, did not know that

    Learn something new everyday I guess
     
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    e! ⁣e HERO

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    WEll "weapon damage" would work because depending on the spell you may not actually be using your weapon itself, and spells in themselves are part of the class not the weapon, so it's not necessarily an overlapping term.

    Tbh though, I don't think the term "melee" damage needs a change really, since it's been in use for so long and would require re-scripting almost every item in the game.
     
  20. XxDiCaprioxX

    XxDiCaprioxX Corrupted Gylia Arch Wizard

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    Yeah. Somelne told me don't play Mage melee and I told him Mage's standard attack is Ranged, not melee
     
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