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..an Alkatraz Suggestion

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Dracsid, Jan 2, 2018.

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Would this be something you can see being implemented?

Poll closed Jan 9, 2018.
  1. No. Alkatraz sux. Get gud. Use Apoc/Guardian.

    75.0%
  2. Perhaps, but with tweaking, but isn't half bad!

    10.0%
  3. Yes, this could perhaps work.

    15.0%
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  1. Dracsid

    Dracsid Warrior Addict & Secretly an Artist HERO

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    (Excuse me if someone mentioned an Alkatraz Buff recently but I did not see one within 2 pages)

    - My idea for its buff : Give it 2 powder slots, and make the Strength Requirement 115.

    - My list of reasons for why it should be done

    - I. Not many people use it, this would encourage players to give Alkatraz a go since the only thing going for it is its raw earth-power.
    - II. I'm not suggesting buff the stats, I consider those pretty fair.
    - III. This would give Alkatraz a "damage" buff, but in the form of Powder Power! (cringe xP)
    - IV. Reducing the Strength Requirement would make being able to use Alkatraz slightly easier, and loosen up the possibilities of Armors/Jewlery one could use.
    - V. I know how to properly list things in Roman Numerals. (xP)
    - VI. These two buffs would also loosen up the Warrior meta from mainly Apocalypse/Guardian builds and add more diversity. (This reasons somewhat my opinion xP)

    - The Obvious : I understand that a Mythic cannot just simply be "buffed" and I would really love feedback on this suggestion. But yeah I don't expect this Thread to do much other than kill time.
     
  2. Vaward

    Vaward First 100% Discoveries as of 12/19/17 22:42 CHAMPION

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    Adding the powder slot gives the possibility of Quake, which does TONS of damage. If this was added, the strength req. should be increased, not decreased.
     
  3. Pokextreme

    Pokextreme Avos Air Archer HERO

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    no.

    Alkatraz with quake would be ungodly overpowered, and if it happened, we would need to cut its damage severely.
    - I. Not many people use it, this would encourage players to give Alkatraz a go since the only thing going for it is its raw earth-power.
    Not much to argue with on this, making it overpowered would encourage use... Making items overpowered is bad for everyone
    - II. I'm not suggesting buff the stats, I consider those pretty fair.
    Slots is a stat, as is the requirement. You are suggesting they get buffed. Also this is not a reason to buff it
    - III. This would give Alkatraz a "damage" buff, but in the form of Powder Power! (cringe xP)
    Once again true, but not a real reason to do it, as alkatraz doesn't need a buff
    - IV. Reducing the Strength Requirement would make being able to use Alkatraz slightly easier, and loosen up the possibilities of Armors/Jewlery one could use.
    While this is true, the item is balanced for its 120 requirement, and each point you lower it increases the potentially overpowered combos you can form.
    - V. I know how to properly list things in Roman Numerals. (xP)
    Im gonna ignore this....
    - VI. These two buffs would also loosen up the Warrior meta from mainly Apocalypse/Guardian builds and add more diversity. (This reasons somewhat my opinion xP)
    What does the meta matter to you anyways, if you don't want to play fire warrior, don't, alka can clear all the content in the game as well...

    Also wow that poll is biased
     
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  4. Keeko100

    Keeko100 static VIP+

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    Uh, warrior does have more mythic options than just Apoc and Guardian. Thrundacrack for one. And there's a lot of people who use Alkatraz but Earth isn't too popular of an element.
     
  5. WynnChairman

    WynnChairman Chairman of Wynn HERO

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    tbh alkatraz ia pretty underpowered if you ask me :/
    i mean i dont play warrior n all but like just looking at the stats its still not great. super slow attack speed makes melee rly impractical, 120 strength doesnt leave much so to spare for def/agil and they just nerfed the damage again. -ws also sucks a lot making it very difficult to move around. just all in all i think alkatraz needs a buff is wut i mean :\
    not to mention it’s pretty much the least desirable mythic spear on the market. (pre change at least kek)
    although id appreciate if anyone could send me a gud alka build lol
     
  6. Kraetys

    Kraetys Hater of Catipalism - Certified Nyanarchist HERO

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    No.
    Alka is fine.
    They nerfed it for a reason.
    Delete the thread.
     
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  7. Khaps

    Khaps Ex-moderator and leader of the Mythic Emporium HERO

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    The main problem of it being unused is people not liking melee and prefering spells, making it overpowered is a bad idea
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    Apoc is way less used already because its now more melee, the main problem is with the people, they only like spells, not melee, and thus want to go for not melee based weapons

    Alkatraz is fine, buffing it would make it overpowered, Wynncraft isn't looking for every mythics to be used equally, but for every mythics to be balanced.

    Also, don't make biaised poll and display votes without having to vote, everytime something like this happens, I'm even more tempted to vote no :/


    So yea, I don't think alkatraz should be buffed at all, but you can always talk with Selvut and the other balance team to try and see what can be done

    (Also @Pokextreme said what had to be said at all cost, so yea)
     
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  8. Golfbawl

    Golfbawl [] CHAMPION

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    If you guys want to see something interesting, take a look at this:

    Mythic Spears Spell Range.png

    So, what I did here was I got each individual mythic weapon, and I plotted the average uppercut damages that were shown on Wynndata. Now, the intention of this graph is to show how % spell damage affects different weapons differently, due to the way that the attack speed variable has been made. Each item shows a different amount of % spell that was ADDED to a weapon to receive that amount of damage on average.

    Now take a look at the top two, which are used to show Thrundacrack (yellow) and Alkatraz (the brown). If you look at it, Alkatraz actually starts with a higher average uppercut damage than Thrundacrack. However, as you add identification boosts onto it (like % spell) Thrundacrack completely overshadows Alka and ends up doing far more DPS than Alkatraz.

    So, overall, mythics are supposed to be balanced, that's true. So, compared to Thrundacrack, consider this: Alkatraz can do better melee because it is heavily influenced by tiers, but requires 120 dedicated SP, does much less spell dmg depending on buffs compared to tcrack, and has -walkspeed to hinder the mobility of the player.

    Now, I'm not blatantly saying that Alkatraz needs a buff, especially because tier attack speed is so tilted towards high base damage weapons that it can turn Alkatraz into a DPS machine, but just consider it. It might need a slight buff, because overall, Alkatraz sort of falls flat on its face spell-wise compared to Thrundacrack.

    P.S. Don't use apoc. If you're wondering, it's that lonely purple line on the bottom of the chart.
     
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  9. one_ood

    one_ood c lown VIP

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    it can already solo Qira in like a minute and a half...
     
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