Game Design Balancing Issues With Li

well, I talk from my expeirence with the virus doctor fights. the bugs aren't really neccessery in my opinion and might need a slight rework.

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as far as I know, the bugs never did a lot of damage to me personally.

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As I joined dwicey in most of his LI journies, i can confirm that the bosses really didn't do that impressive damage you describe. I don't know if it's our builds or how we play. But it just feels like the bosses should be more challenging not neccesserily harder and stronger. because that's what i think the legendary island challenge is.

 

Seeing how Multihits is presently glitched and does far more damage than advertised(and I did the math of the intended damage) and how I literally just rattled off their stats straight from the YML, I don't see how that's possible except for "hurr warrior rainbow immunity game 2 ez lullllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll".

 

Did anyone say they do lots of damage? I dont think so. As @Selvut283 already said, they are just supposed to make the fight harder and harder the more time passes.

 

im melee mage and im not the strongest, just saying how it was for me

 

Okay, so I've read and mostly understood Selvut's points.

I put the virus bug health problem in there because If spawn rates were increased, health was decreased It would have a higher skill cap.

The Elf part was never that huge of a problem for me, but Ethan complained about it a couple times so I thought I may put it in there from his views, but they two hit you when bosses duplicate, which happens quite often (Just today I fought 3 corkus accipient and 4 Idols).

Assuming that the tiers aren't gonna be swapped around, the Idol doesn't fit the silver tier. I may have said some incorrect things because I obviously don't have the data and speaking from personal experience,
but I still feel like the other bosses should either be buffed or this one nerfed in the tier. Making it have less damage may not be the way to go, but I feel like there should be somewhat of a rework.

Yahya inflicts around 5.5k damage, that's fine but he won't hit you, there are safe spots in all except two parts of the map, and those two you can easily evade (For example, the one with the narrow hallway you can literally just walk right beside him and half the time he won't hit you.) I don't feel like I should say this, but if you can't avoid getting hit while on horseback, you're doing something wrong.

Just having minions won't necessarily make the boss fight hard, Death's minions just sit around minding their own business while you care about Death, my build Isn't very "glassy" but he's around a 40 seconds boss at max.

The damage you've described for MoW was never present for me personally, he inflicts around 3k damage every time he sticks to me which I heal back with life steal almost immediately, now this could be because of server lag, or even It being glitched (?), but If It is intended to have that much damage I've got no complaints, but he never had "insane dps" against me. Having less arena space would make ice snake less effective (currently you can just ice snake him and he won't even do 3k damage)

Ok, let's say we keep Cybel's damage like that, sure. By expanding arena space you could add more pressure plates and it wouldn't defeat the purpose of them.

So tnts explode randomly, I doubt they would do too much damage then because the only damage I took in the fight was by Dr Legendary, and yes, I would want him to do that much damage.
Never in my life have I ever saw Dr Legendary do more than 5k damage, so I feel like you either miscalculated the damage or for some reason It's not present in the game properly.

If barriers aren't broken, why do bosses constantly get stuck in them.

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Also, please don't use the hurr warrior rainbow immunity game 2 ez lullllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll" argument because It doesn't work when both I and Ethan mentioned we're mages.

 

Barriers aren't broken, all mobs are. It doesn't matter how thick we make barrier walls, mobs can get stuck in them because...hell if any of us know. And mobs splitting multiple times upon death is also a glitch that we can't control. I don't think it should be factored into the fight, cause it hardly ever happens when I try it.

The idol I think only gets complained about because of the splitting glitch, and the longevity of the fight. It IS a very long battle, even if each form isn't exactly the hardest thing in the world, and again it's meant to be a good deal tougher immediately than the Bronze Tier to show "Hey, no brute-forcing shit, gotta have some skill here".

The people I see on horseback always just sit there and never get hit, which doesn't work for me, and moving around on a horse really does miss the entire point of the fight anyhow.

I seriously don't see how Death is glassy, he has as much health as Qira and 1.5x the regen(7500). His element weaknesses are negligibly small as well.

Regarding the damage complaints, I read them straight from the YML. There's no way I could have miscalculated seeing as I was quoting the files.

Regarding the Cybel, I honestly think that fight should be removed. It just isn't a good fit for the LI format, seeing as each battle is meant to emulate the previous one. Adding more space and more pressure plates actually would defeat the purpose, since all the Wybels/Cybels are meant to fill up the arena. Making more space ruins that; the boss was very carefully calculated for this reason.

Again, 1000-9999 damage from the detonators when they explode.

 

I can see why some of these changes wouldn't be healthy and defeat the original theme of the fights, so I kinda feel your situation regarding the balancing of LI.
I may post a video of me doing LI with commentary and complaints about each fights while considering your points and my own, so that It's easier to understand where I'm coming from regarding some of these fights.
Regarding Death vs Qira, she teleports quite a lot so that gives her time to regen her health + her followers have dealt far more damage to me than Death's.

 

...wha...how...?

 

melee mage

 

that's the thing about this thread. we're talking about our experiences with the LI. And I don't think it means any less than a thread filled with data and numbers. As we come here and say the experience of LI needs more than just a few tweaks, not saying a whole redone of it, but a reconsideration of the challenge could be a positive thing that will bring Innovation to it.

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ye boi

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hmu and i'll try squeezing my tight schedule to help

 

While I've not completed LI, I see nothing thats unbalanced. The only boss I've died to without lag is the Matrojan Idol's water form, the unexpected thunder damage from teleport along with water resistance caught me off guard, I was at the time using an unfinished water mage so it was natural to die. This issue is however present for most builds. The only thing I would cange is giving the Corkus Accipientis the multiple one-hit, no-AI forms at the end, but changing them to be different failed challengers instead of Gavelian monsters.

Isn't CoWs arena small too?

 

Isn't CoWs arena small too?[/QUOTE]

Nope

 

it's also hard af to find a good party
for LI

like
people that don't die from one shot from mommy bore

 

If you want to do li like 5 times quickly just ask a friend thats somewhat decent at the game to do a few runs with you LUL

 

hard when you don't have any active good friends

 

im here for u bb

 

its even harder when you dont have any friends