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Give The Assassin Some Love

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Eregna, Sep 3, 2017.

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  1. Eregna

    Eregna Skilled Adventurer

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    i have an end-game assassin and I think I have been playing him long enough to know he is the weakest class in the game for one reason. the assassin has no escape if he gets into a dangerous situation, while warrior has charge, mage has teleport, and archer has escape. the assassins extreme lack of in combat mobility is the reason he is constantly getting ranged by mages and archers because if he gets hit I knocks him out of stealth. even the warrior has some amount of range with his charge and his uppercut even has some good range where the assassin can only use his smoke bomb against range characters who constantly keep distance with their abilities, and the smoke bomb is terrible at this because of its low dps. my suggestion would be to give the assassin's vanish a charge similar to the warriors before he goes invisible, this would allow him to kill the space between an archer or a mage.
     
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    ThomAnn100 I have reached peak intelligence VIP+

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    Archer is the worst due to its lack of survivability, the thing about about assassin is that it's the class that requires a lot of skill to use effectively. Assassin can easily escape out of battles using vanish. You litteraly go invisable for a while, making no mobs attack you. You can just walk out and chug potions to get back to full health. Assassin is a balanced class, warrior will be a good class when warscream is fixed, mage will be balanced when heal gets a nerf and archer will be balanced when it gets higher base defense.

    tl;dr: archer is shit and assassin is fine
     
  3. FRANCISS

    FRANCISS voice HERO

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    Some could easily argue that Archer is not shit, but is in need of a slight buff. Your low defence shouldn't really matter as archer, as you are mainly going to stay far away and use ranged attacks. Archer also has some of the highest damaging builds overall. (Old Az - Spring Builds etc.) Arrow shield is also a good spell which can be used as a kind of defence, as it can knock back bosses who would normally one shot the player, unlike other classes.
     
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  4. Spinel

    Spinel Pronounced Spin-nell, not Spine-el VIP+

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    First off all, a huge lack of detail.

    Second, assassin already has a mini charge with vanish, it can't have as big of charge as warrior does because then it would be too op.

    Thirdly, assassin is actually fine, I don't know where you're coming from. Vanish already works well enough, if you can't kill any other class(besides mage) then you just have a really shit build. Incorporate walkspeed in your build, or better yet, get more Intel and mana regen.
     
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  5. Poiu429

    Poiu429 yote VIP+

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    Vanish is probably the best get-out-of-a-sticky-situation spell that there is in the game. You turn invisible plus you charge away. Other classes don't have that luxury - mobs will continue to attack them, whereas with vanish, you're given the time to run away and use a potion without mobs seeing you (although you cannot use a potion while in vanish. You cannot continue any spells as long as you switch off of your weapon, and this applies to all classes).

    PVP is hilariously broken and is not on a "priority list" to be fixed. The main focus of Wynncraft is PvE, and the classes and balancing is designed around that. You can get close to a mage or an archer, you just have to be careful.
    mage also seems designed to destroy assassins (perhaps due to the fact that before Gavel, assassin was the most OP class in the game)

    Smoke bomb gives blindness and slowness, I believe, so once you hit a ranged mob they will be unable to see you. This gives you an opportunity to run up to the mob and kill it. I don't see the issue here.

    Smoke bomb, as a spell, gives out the highest DoT (damage over time) of any class (of course, this depends on the kind of build, but if we assume all classes are using a % spell build, as is the kind of build you would use if you wish to take full advantage of smoke bomb). In terms of damage output, smoke bomb can deal as much damage as spin attack (Assassin's main attack spell, because no one uses multihit anymore). In cases, spin attack can 1-shot kill players with over 10k health. If your smoke bomb damage is lacking, that is because of the build you are using.

    This is already a thing.

    You say you play end-game Assassin, yet you have little knowledge of the mechanics of one of Assassin's main spells.
     
  6. bloww

    bloww Shoutbox Fancam Account

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    spring does like 12k bombs max with a glassy-ish build

    arrow shield doesnt negate damage, and to use it you need to be CLOSE to the enemy
     
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    Bloik Treasure Diver

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    Are you serious PVE is the best for assassin he can just vanish instead of getting chased down like the other classes
     
  8. sdkgjnio

    sdkgjnio hod-SOH-nee-uhs

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    The thing about assassin is that it lacks two important things that other classes all have, those being proper mobility spells and group support spells (like Heal, Escape and War Scream). Give Vanish a proper instant movement thing as well as the speed buff and give it a way to help allies, and a lot of the unfairness will be fixed.

    The vanish mobility feature could be something like a big jump (not the pathetic scaled-down charge it has), a form of teleportation, or a feature involving gliding quickly and briefly in a particular direction. This could even be something that can be activated while vanished that moves the player and also deactivates the vanish, perhaps triggered by sneak-jumping. The problem here isn't just that it's not as good as other mobility spells, but the actual mobility is unlocked a lot later. Really, in concept an assassin would be more mobile than any of the other classes, so making it the least doesn't make much sense.

    The group support could be activated by any spell, but it would need to provide some kind of a buff to other players - all other classes can do this. Mages can give health back with Heal, Archers can give speed and warriors give strength and resistance with War Scream. This is part of the reason why assassins are less valuable as party members. Maybe higher level Vanish can give allies a couple of seconds of invisibility too, and maybe smoke bombs can act as area buffs for players standing in the effect, with some effect given to them.

    Both of these give Assassin a sort of outlier status that needs to be addressed if we want to bring about balance.
     
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    Bloik Treasure Diver

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    I glided down maro peaks with vanish :D
     
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  10. Aya

    Aya Very Serious Gensokyo Journalist

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    what about when you use multihit the people around you gets a little damage buff?
    y'know like if they were like:
    Yo this guy is soo powerful BUT HE WILL NOT DEFEAT ME, NGAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!! *buffs*
     
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    coolname2034 Formerly known as NPCGrian HERO

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    Oh heres another one.
    Anyways people explained it well enough.
     
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    Lexwomy Lexwomy HERO

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