What Is Wrong With Elem-def.

I'm here to explain, some of the problems with Elem-Def.
Why it's OP, and why some Weps. (Alka, Stingier...) Seem to ignore Elem-Def

DT- The start of the problem.

Elem-Def is supposed to work in a Dt system (threshold) for those who do not know Dt is where you simply subtract the total Dmg that you are taking, from your Dt For example, if I was to take 100 Dmg and I had 50 Dt I would take 50 Dmg.
(This system is for both players and mobs)
For those who do not know your % Elem-Def it's simple a % of your total Elem-Def, so if I had 50 Elem-Def and 100% Elem-Def for the same Elem, I would actual take 100 less dmg.
These are the basics to Elem-Def. which, I hope most you know.

Order of calculation- Where it gets fucked.

So what was said from before is still true, however, it's your base Dmg, This is where our Elem-Def system gets fucked. The base Dmg of your Wep is what is subtracted from your Dt For example, if I had a Wep with 10-50 Dmg and super fast attack speed with no other bonuses, with a mage, then used Motor against a Mob with 100 Elem-Def, to the same Elem-Dmg I am dealing, I would only do, none.
For those of you who keep up with the math, you know that motor should do somewhere around 160-800, however as I said it is subtracting base Dmg, first. So the 10-50 was nulled before the spell % and speed multiplier played in.
Which not only makes Elem-Def OP, it also makes Weps who's base Dmg passes most all Dt Even more broken (Alka, Stinger, FlameShot...) The average mob/player will not have more than 1500 Elem-Def in a single Elem. This However is bad because spell multiplier and spell % is calculated after. For example, if I had 1600 Earth Def and someone did 2000 Earth Dmg to me, with Motor and 100% earth, and 150 Str, then I would take something like 23,040 Dmg, even though it only did 400 Dmg over my Dt.

I hope this made some amount of sense, it is a very complex idea, and yes most of this is caused by Jum-Jum code, If so please like and ask more about this subject.

 

meh
@motoki1

 

Please expand acronyms. :/

 

I figured Dt was the only one that really needed explaining .-.

 

He knows the basics, dw.

Well, there's nothing wrong with it. It is meant to work like that. Super Slow weapons are more likely to penetrate everyone's Ele. Def, and you are not meant to block all the Ele. damage like you always do with random people.
You might have read this, but here's my damage calculation shits thread.
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/how-damage-is-calculated.176082/
I... don't think there's a mage weapon that has 2000 Base Earth damage :p
Mage's highest spell multiplier is known as 400% Meteor, which is the highest among all the spells. That's why Mage's weapons have like half Base Damage compared to other classes' weapons, uh yea you should know that.
Your Ele. def subtracts from the opponent's (Base Damage) x (ID Boost) value before the (Spell Multiplier) x (Attack Speed Boost) multipliers.
So if the opponent had 1600 Base Earth (Stinger) with 2.5 ID Boost, your Earth Def will be subtracted from 4000. So if you have 2000 Earth Def, you should reduce the damage by half.
Yea, still half... but that's like the craziest example among all the weapons, I kinda thought too that Stinger is a crazy weapon.

Anyway, what I wanted to say is, do not think that you will be able to block all the Element Damage. You have gone too far.

 

Remember, it's not just the super slow weapons. Think about Grim, Cata, and Monster. Rainbow Tank Killers, and broken in terms of damage. Sure, super slow weapons are most likeley to penetrate, but you still have the Slows and the Superfast that seem to one shot or almost oneshot everything.
I am never typing this on mobile again.

 

I'm going to be testing this either way later. I'm going to try to melee qira on my assassin, I do 5k super fast melee hits, and with 1250 ele def, I should do ~3.5k damage. If I don't, something is wrong.

 

i never said it does
also no the id's are after as well, it is just the base that matters
and no it is not meant to work like this, maybe at first but the elem def system was under thought.

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orange for the last time, its your BASE dmg not your melee

 

I'm going to try it regardless

 

I read elf den the whole time and thought you where talking about an item

 

Maybe I should explain in some real cases
As I know, if we compare earth def gears with thunder/water def gears , u can see they are pretty close but u always see earth is always the lowest, I take thunder water to compare with earth.

Highest earth def helmet ( I count the raw def only, % is troublesome)
Veekhat Horn (150 earth def)
2nd one already goes to stardust

And watch highest thunder and water helmet
Anima Infused Helmet (+200 thunder water)
It has a huge difference between raw def, I don't think I have to count the % now.


Highest earth def chestplate
20 slots chestplate (600 earth def)for sure, but if more ezily to say, Gravity(250 earth def) is much more effective, don't think that u will really get that for pure earth def.

And watch highest thunder and water chestplate
rather than 20 slots again, Boreal-Patterened Aegis is the highest (+300 thunder water)


Highest earth def legging
Earth Sanctuary(+170 earth def), But I really won't use these legging for tank build, just saying

Highest thuner def Legging
Gemini(+200) for sure

Highest water def Legging
Water Sanctuary(+250)
Highest earth def boots, but same in wt I said in there


Gaea-Hawn boots(+275) ofc

Highest thunder def boots
Nether scar (+170)

Highest water def boots
Gaea-Hawn boots (+275) hi

Buy just simply add them up, we have
Earth def (highest)*neglect powders
150+250+170+275=845 raw
Thunder def(highest)*neglect powders
200+300+200+170=870 raw
Water def(highest)*neglect powders
200+300+250+275=1025 raw

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My conclusion is, wynn designs about earth def is the most unfair one, meanwhile we all know earth/thunder do the most damage than the rest 3 elements.
Yes I can immune some mythics' damage with my warrior, but I can' do any shit to earth mythics.

And I see that hive armors' distribution of elemental defs is unfair, why earth def applies in Gaea-Hawn boots ONLY, while water def can apply to 3 armors of master hive shop???

Those are just my points of view of elemental def distribution, but u said about elemental defs are glitched, its way too far away already, also if its glitched as u say

Then I will be able to do damage with a fucking poison ivy with rage buffs, but it didn't.
We see those damage numbers are close, whatever on villager and rainbow tank, yes they have difference, but it isn't obvious just because the earth def generally sucks in game.

 

+1 juan. Elemental defence is up there with cactus and poison in my books

 

At this point I can't decide if you are trying to disagree with what I say or what, but please note. This isn't jut over earth dmg weps, nor tanking. The whole point of the theard is so people know how it works. And why elem def seems to be op in most cases, and useless in some as well. Now on the point of "it's because earth def is unfair" go fight qira, she has 1200 in every elem def, trust me you will still hurt her with a alka or stinger, on the other hand, a cata with 150% thunder dmg and 80% spell can't. Trust me we tried.

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Elem def can easily be countered so I don't see why.
And the whole point of this isn't to defend it in anyway, it's to bring up two points. The way elem def works is dumb, in most cases it's over powdered, in some, like alka or stinger. It's almost useless

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Oh and one more thing, I choice to do the most extreme explain. Not so people would think it's more series, but so they get the idea of why and how it's works, why I did a very weak example as well.

 

after reading everything you said, you didn't even read what i said at all.
i never said it was glitched, the system it works in is just op, and it isn't because of rage, its yet again how the system works.
next time you wish to make a argument what about you read what i said.
ps i was on my phone before, that's why i didn't read this in detail.

also i never even said it was earth dmg, jesus christ you were being stupid there.

 

Tl dr; jum-jum spilled more coffee.