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Game Design Rage (earth Powder Armour Special)

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by C2HWarrior, Feb 13, 2017.

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Is Rage too Good?

  1. Yes definitely

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  2. No I think its fine the way it is

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  3. I'm not sure/haven't had experience with it

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  1. C2HWarrior

    C2HWarrior Well-Known Adventurer

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    I know a lot of people are not going to like this but I felt it had to be pointed out at one stage or another so in this thread I'm going to outline my opinion on why rage in its current state is broken/overpowered.
    Firstly lets explain how it works:
    At tier 6 it gives you 1% earth damage per each % of health missing.
    Seems balanced right? Like a trade off for losing your health by replacing it with damage, but then you take into consideration that you have 4 armour slots each allowing you to have rage on your item. The % stacks across all 4 slots meaning that if you've got 50% of your health missing you deal an EXTRA 200% EARTH DAMAGE. I didn't really think I'd have to point how why this is so broken but it hasn't been changed yet so I'll continue.
    Because of the massive increase to damage it has lead to many people making builds specifically around the powder special. These builds usually have high health and elemental defences and because of rage they also get high damage. Having Both high damage and high defences is not balanced in the slightest and to help prove my point I'll use an example of a build:
    Morph Stardust: 3400 Health
    Gravity: 4200 Health
    Vaward: 3350 Health
    Statue: Up to 9250 Health
    Prism x 2
    Prowess
    Lapis Necklace
    Alka/Gaia/Grandmother/Grimtrap/Literally any earth damage dealing weapon

    Total health: 20200

    With builds like this you've got great health and elemental defences but bad enough damage which is balanced. But once you add rage into the equation things become too good too quickly. At 50% health missing which for a build like this would be ~10k (this is decent health and also consider u have good elemental defences) and you would get a 200% damage increase. And yes I know that this build has awful ws but this is only an example (not that bad ws matters really because with mage/warrior u can use ur movement spell easily) but the point I'm trying to get across is that a build should not be able to obtain great health, great defences and great damage. Its simply not balanced. Many glass cannon builds cannot reach 200% extra damage yet a tank build can? And lets not forget what a glass cannon build would be able to do with this. Due to this I feel that earth oriented weapons have become much too strong compared to those of other elements. I've personally tested a rather poor build with gaia and yet was still able to hit 35k meteors using rage. Needless to say I sold my gaia as I'm not one to like overpowered things as I feel they take away from the experience of playing the game.

    My suggestion (Open to others opinion of course)
    Nerf The % at tier 6 from 1% to .4%
    Nerf the % at tier 5 from .5% to .2%
    Nerf % at tier 1 from .3% to .15%

    Obviously these nerfs may be too severe which is why I ask for your opinion on what you think the values should be.
    I know these nerfs may seem rather drastic but honestly I feel like they are needed. At tier 6 you still get more % damage than the % health you've lost and its actually a balanced amount. (i.e. at 50% health lost you do 80% more damage)
    Many of you probably use rage and therefore would not like to see it changed but I ask you to look at this objectively like I have (used it with gaia and such) as in my opinion it clearly needs some major changes.

    Please do not start any flamewars in this thread.
    Opinions are welcomed here and I want everyone to be able to get their opinion across without anyone else arguing with them. This is only my take on rage and I therefore accept that many of you will have different opinions on the matter. If you feel like rage is fine in its current state I'd ask of you to share your reasons on why in this thread please.

    Thanks for reading!
    @SilverMirror Suggestion:

    T4: .1%
    T5: .3%
    T6: .5%

    Reasoning:
    "fun fact, you can also get a different level of powder special if you put two different tiers together, e.g. with Concentration 2xT4 +1%, one T4 and T5 will +2%, 2xT5 +3%, one T5 and T6 +4%, 2xT6 +5%
    I suggestion you maybe follow the same but with 0.1 instead of 1%?"

     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2017
  2. Chun_

    Chun_ Any broken builds founder,nerfed by Salted VIP+

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    Should I be happy when finally someone expose this?
     
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  3. Pokextreme

    Pokextreme Avos Air Archer HERO

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    Concentration is also OP
     
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  4. C2HWarrior

    C2HWarrior Well-Known Adventurer

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    In the name of game balance...... YES!
     
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  5. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    Daddy salted giveth
    And daddy salted taketh
     
  6. C2HWarrior

    C2HWarrior Well-Known Adventurer

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    bumping this. Looking for more feedback from the community
     
  7. Pokextreme

    Pokextreme Avos Air Archer HERO

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    No real reason to bump threads here
     
  8. Lexwomy

    Lexwomy Lexwomy HERO

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    I have 170% thunder damage :D
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    I actually never really thought rage was overpowered
    I never thought about it
    huh
     
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  9. C2HWarrior

    C2HWarrior Well-Known Adventurer

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    that 15 seconds of new post box fame makes it all worth it
    I hope this helped you to form an opinion on it then
     
  10. Lexwomy

    Lexwomy Lexwomy HERO

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    sure
    now i know how my urf archer is op
     
  11. Sku

    Sku ยง HERO

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    Concentration is the only thing making water mythics viable.
     
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  12. coolname2034

    coolname2034 Formerly known as NPCGrian HERO

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    Alright guys better buy a grandma before this gets nerfed!
     
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  13. mike88

    mike88 Well-Known Adventurer CHAMPION

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    Not true.
    With tier 6 earth on every armour, you deal only around 100% more at 1hp than at full hp.
    Please don't spread rumors and mislead the community to hate rage
     
  14. InvertedReaper

    InvertedReaper The Nigerian Soothsayer HERO

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    Your logic is a bit backwards. When dealing with percent-based buffs, you actually want as little HP as possible in order to fully maximize the effect. Unless you have negative Life Steal/Health Regen, think about how hard it'll be to actually get to half health (not to mention the Health Regen and Life Steal Vaward and Gravity give respectively). If it was a flat amount, say for every 500 Health missing you get 5% more damage, THAT would be OP. But since we're dealing with percentages, not so much. If you want the full power of Rage, you pretty much have no choice but to be a glass cannon.
     
  15. Chun_

    Chun_ Any broken builds founder,nerfed by Salted VIP+

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    tbh.............
    put off armors and wear it back=full rage....
     
  16. InvertedReaper

    InvertedReaper The Nigerian Soothsayer HERO

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    If you do that, you might be able to get one hit in before getting one-shot. And that's even if you happen to stay alive while you're fiddling in your inventory.
     
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    Chun_ Any broken builds founder,nerfed by Salted VIP+

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    u can choose any range because u can choose to not wear off all the armors......
     
  18. InvertedReaper

    InvertedReaper The Nigerian Soothsayer HERO

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    Even so, it's just not practical. It's not something you can effectively do while in combat. You'd have to stop and take your armor off and on again because you gain back so much health just from having it on because of the increased Life Steal and Health Regen.
     
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    Chun_ Any broken builds founder,nerfed by Salted VIP+

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    Press E->put off then put back->Press E
    ....How long I have to take to finish it?
    btw I don't think Gravity's ls and raw health help alot....
     
  20. C2HWarrior

    C2HWarrior Well-Known Adventurer

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    This logic is backwards ^. How is it hard to lose hp? You literally just have to stand there and let people hit you.
     
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