Game Design The Gimmick That Is Pvp

Introduction
Ah PVP. We all know how it works. From duels to even the nether. PVP is a good thing to have, since it adds a competitive aspect to the game. Atleast that is what it is supose to do... Ye it really doesn't right now. So i will tell you what I think about the current PVP system and its flaws. Bear in mind that this is MY opinion, and if you have a different once, please let me know.

Why is PVP important?
"PVP is just a minor aspect of the game" said by our beloved moderator @Selvut283 in-game. But he is quite wrong. PVP is for now one of the only things to do past Lvl 100. You grinded those levels to eventually get your build you dreamed of. But after you got that build, there is really not much PVE to do anymore. Okay you can go kill the orange wybel a few times but that is really it. So, why don't we do some PVP instead? Well since its kinda broken...

How is PVP broken?
Let's start with the elephant in the room here: There is 3 builds dominating right now in PVP. Sadly, these are the 3 builds that require the least skill out of all builds to use, which makes PVP quite unbalanced in a way. So even if you have created the build that requires a lot of skill and you think is good, it will most likely be killed by at least one of these builds. So what are these builds you may ask.
- Poison build
- Cactus (even after the nerf)
- Rainbow tank

Now don't start to write replies saying "UGH I HAVE ONE OF THESE BUILDS AND I AM NOT NOOB" or "U ARE JUST BAD AT PVP" and read this whole post. If then you still disagree, well, go ahead.

First lets talk what in my opinion is the most broken thing in PVP now: Poison builds. What is wrong about them u may ask. Well, let's say an average end game build has around 10000 hp excluding tanks. With the press of 3 buttons a warrior can war scream and almost always hit you. This will result in an instant death in 3 seconds. Seems balanced? The only thing that can maybe win this match-up is an intel or tank mage which just keeps healing, but then you still do not win do you? since all the heals you spam drain your mana so u can hardly cast another spell. It also takes next to no skill to use making it very unfair. All tho in PVE this build is not really good, it makes PVP not fun at all.

Next up is Cactus. Yes even after the nerf this build is still a really frustrating to face against this build. Almost all builds these days that are not tanks, focus on dealing damage. i would even say that over 60% of the people use a build that has good damage. So having a cactus build is basically a giant middle finger in the face. Especially builds using agility will get destroyed since it passes agility 100% of the time. it will also deal a lot of damage against most damage builds. And the worst part is, u just stand still and do nothing. Having a build that requires so little effort as one of the top builds just makes me...

Okay i will keep this short. If there is a build that takes 0 damage from the weapon that is suppose to be the strongest weapon in the game, you know there is something seriously wrong. Yes i am looking at you rainbow tank.

How to fix this?
These are just my opinions on how to fix them. You may like them or not, but its still my opinion.

Poison: Do the same as done with the cactus nerf. Make poison do half damage in PVP. This would still be powerful if you think about the amount of effort it takes to kill someone with it, but hey it's a start.

Cactus: A small change would to that agility blocks reflect and thorns. Not much of a change, but it will make an efficient counter to cactus builds for sure

Rainbow Tank: It is fine in PVE, so do not change anything there. Maybe nerf its effectiveness in PVP only?

Anyways thank you if you have made it this far and read trough all of this. Again, this is my opinion, so do not start flaming at me. Rather you can just post what you think about the current PVP system in wynncraft, or just answer the poll at the top. So ye, thank you for reading and have a nice day!

Rem out

 

What about heal spell?

 

I will maybe add spells at a later date. But for now this is, in my opinion, the biggest flaw in PVP.

 

In my opinion they should also fix intelligence in the nether.

 

U SUCK AT PVP I BETTER DAN U

im joking

 

I agree. But these are minor things in the pile with unbalanced PVP things. Just shows you how many flaws this mechanic has...

Knew this was coming. Thanks for being "that guy".

Gud joke doe.

 

Looking at the poll people are agreeing with me.

 

i don't think so

 

UGH I HAVE ONE OF THESE BUILDS AND I AM NOT NOOB! U ARE JUST BAD AT PVP.

But in all seriousness some builds need to be nerfed.

 

Pvp should get completely reworked as a whole.

 

Maybe we can just make Nether ignore IDs, health, and skills like before Gavel. That was actually fun.

 

Yes, I was starting to feel this way as well, Wynncraft PVP in general to me has seemed pretty shifty balance-wise after the Gavel update, of course, these builds aren't OP in the same sense as the old bugged tier attack speed and, as you mentioned, pre-gameplay update cactus was, but even then, these builds where they stand, are pretty much the most effective builds out there right now, and I do agree that they do need fixing, and your suggestions to fix said builds are not bad, however, the one thing that irks me is your suggestion to fix rainbow builds:

How would we nerf it's effectiveness exactly? If you are referring nerf the elemental defense itself, that would kind of destroy the point of what rainbow defense in the first place PVP-wise, perhaps toning down the health a notch on the items commonly used in the build would help, to me, this would make rainbow tank more susceptible to Neutral-oriented weapons, since with the rainbow defense, they can obviously do well against most elemental damage, but with the smaller health, may struggle against people who use Neutral weapons. (Even if it like this already)

I would also like to propose another build which I feel fits the same category as the 3 builds you wish to change, and that is builds that put all their points into agility, wear statue + other items with high amounts of health/agility + items dedicated to intelligence. One could argue that this build goes into the same category as Fire + Air, but Statue is not really focused towards any element at all, not even Fire, as it's literally an item that gives lots of HP and takes away plenty of walk speed, also, as I mentioned in my summary of these types of Statue + Agility builds, for the most part, other items included in this build aren't even Fire, as of course, besides Statue, most of the other items are usually items based around Spell damage + Mana regen in order to not only have lots of health and high dodge chance, but also be able to bombard your enemy with spells.

There was a thread based around these Statue + Agility builds a while back requesting a nerf, and my proposal was to add a -agility ID to statue, but I believe it is impossible to add new IDs to an item without having to re-ID it first, so I got nothing.

 

Tbh I have been complaining about thorns since it was a powder back before gavel. It doesn't make any sense that damage gets reflected (also why not cast a reflection spell on the walls of the city?)

Poison I can understand but it does too much damage over a too short amount of time. Maybe they can keep the damage as it is but spread over a larger time period.

And rainbow tanks are just the new max defense warrior.

 

Weathered build with 140 agi is kinda broken for me XD op dmg and op air for dodge a lot

 

I'm sorry but i disagree, seance the update with poison i'm pertty shit in pvp like really shit, plus a good cata or fatal can still one shot me,
however in pve i do not take dmg at all... none.. 0. i do however deal tons of dmg so my belief is its balanced in pvp but not in pve

oh ps its only really mages who can win with a tank tbh

also edit i think i have lost almost all my duels seance to update

 

It's shut down completely by any poison or cactus build.


As for the suggestion itself, Rainbow builds are actually pretty easily taken down by poison, so

 

You're right, PVP is broken. This is because the game is designed around PVE, to actually fix PVP we need to do a complete overhaul of it and how items function during duels and in the nether. But because of that it's not so simple and will take quite some time to plan then execute.

Salted is aware of the issues so that means it will be fixed in the future, however right now we are not focusing on PVP and instead other things.

 

That's why with agi You Can do a fight without getting 1 hit like a fight where You take the 1st hit at the start

 

This is an MMORPG, PvP isn't meant to be balanced.