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World More Consistent Powder Relics [5+ Supporters]

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Erucidal, Sep 18, 2016.

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  1. Erucidal

    Erucidal Well-Known Adventurer

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    One thing that I've found consistently frustrating is that powder relics do not give good, consistent rewards. Half of the time I get tier II powders from a tier VI relics, which honestly just isn't worth it, especially considering how a mob nearby could easily drop a tier IV powder.

    Because of this, I want to recommend a more consistent way of organizing relics to actually make it so that higher tier powder relics definitively give better rewards than lower tiers:

    Tier I Relic - 1 Tier I Powder
    Tier II Relic - 2 Tier I Powders
    Tier III Relic - 1 Tier 2 Powder
    Tier IV Relic - 2 Tier 2 Powders
    Tier V Relic - 3 Tier 2 Powders
    Tier VI Relic - 1 Tier III Powder

    Just for a little math, getting all of these relics in a single day--quite the extensive task unless you're using tp scrolls, in which case you'll be spending a decent amount of money--would result in:
    • 3 tier I powders, 6 tier II powders, and 1 tier III powder
    • 4.2% of a tier VI powder
    • A total of 23 days needed before you can get a tier VI powder
    Isn't this rather unreasonable?:
    This is very reasonable, especially considering the highest tier of powder you can get from a relic is III, which is still maintained. All this does is separate the relics into distinct categories and makes going to intermediate ones much more worth it.
    But isn't the market value for a tier VI powder 16 LE? This is too easy to obtain that large amount of money:
    The reason why it's worth so much is because powders are so difficult to come by. This isn't a "you get a tier VI powder from a tier VI relic; it's still perfectly reasonable, as shown above, and if the market prices for powders fall, so be it. The powders needed for a weapon can often surpass the actual value of the weapon itself--48 LE for 3 powders, 1 stack of 4 powders, etc. Even if it does fall, I doubt it will fall by much.
    I still think that this is too much for going to relics:
    If this still happens, the cool-downs for the relics could be extended. Doing so would remove any concerns about camping a person would have. Generally, consistency is the main goal here, hence the
    Why should this be implemented?:
    Just to make relics more reliable. Often times, people don't really consider going for other relics worthwhile, and it's extremely difficult to get higher tier powders through relics, especially if you get unlucky with the tier VI relic.

    Ultimately, I shouldn't be getting the same reward from a tier V relic and a tier I relic; it just doesn't make sense. Powder relics need to be more consistent.
     
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  2. PurifyX

    PurifyX Famous Adventurer VIP+ Builder

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    No. I dont want Wynn to become a "Im a better camper so i have more money than you because you have things outside of Wynn and cant go get the relics every 4 hours u bitch"
     
  3. Erucidal

    Erucidal Well-Known Adventurer

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    Cooldowns exist, you know.
     
  4. PurifyX

    PurifyX Famous Adventurer VIP+ Builder

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    "Cant go get the relics every 4 hours u bitch"

    go get the relics every 4 hours u bitch
    get the relics every 4 hours u bitch
    the relics every 4 hours u bitch
    relics every 4 hours u bitch
    EVERY 4 HOURS,

    read? You know?
     
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  5. Erucidal

    Erucidal Well-Known Adventurer

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    What? You know that I literally had in my post that the cooldowns could be extended if camping was problematic, right?
     
  6. Kraby

    Kraby *insert clever meme* VIP+

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    or make relic VIs ACTUALLY GIVE POWDER VIS
    gadjngdajgna why make powders so hard to get ;-;
     
  7. Erucidal

    Erucidal Well-Known Adventurer

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    The problem with that is that lower tier powders then become obsolete, and it would be way too easy. Powders can last on your weapon forever, you know.
     
  8. Kraby

    Kraby *insert clever meme* VIP+

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    yes but they get removed whenever you wanna switch them
    and for a full set you need around 14 powders and its just wayy to hard to get them
    mybe atleast make tier Vi relics have a like
    50% chance for tier IVs
    40% chance for tier Vs
    and 10% for tier Vis
    something like taht
     
  9. Erucidal

    Erucidal Well-Known Adventurer

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    Yeah, but it would still be way too easy imo. I'm certainly open to the relics giving more rewards, though.
     
  10. PurifyX

    PurifyX Famous Adventurer VIP+ Builder

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    Doesnt matter, if you made it once every 24hrs its still op, the inconsistency is to make sure it isnt abusable, with the way youre trying to make it if someone did a full run and hit every powder relic ( all tiers and element ) theyd make around 10-15 LE a day, repeat. Thats 70-105LE a week.... By running around
     
  11. Erucidal

    Erucidal Well-Known Adventurer

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    I already addressed the supposed "LE" concern in the post, too...
    The market value of an item is irrelevant; the reason why it's so high at the moment is because powders are so difficult to obtain. Thus, you wouldn't be making 70-105LE a week. If you are, that's a fundamental issue with the people buying the powders, not the system itself, for their aren't any explicitly given standard prices in the game.

    If a person will pay 16 LE for an item that takes 23 days to obtain, so be it. The market is completely irrelevant to the actual game itself. For example, if people were buying string for 1 LE a piece, it would become obvious that that is an issue with the people buying it. Your concerns are only applicable if there was an NPC merchant buying tier VI powders for a consistent 16 LE a piece, which just simply isn't the case.
     
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    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    You can grind mobs for powders
     
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    robincaiye ♧ the local (broke) emerald dealer HERO

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    mobs, upgrading, tier IV and V relics
     
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