World A Change For Cataclysm

As most of us know, 9 new mythics came out in the Gameplay Update. 5 pairs of boots, Galleon, Boreal, Crusade Sabatons, Slayer and Warchief, 1 chestplate called Discoverer, 2 daggers called Nirvana and Cataclysm and a spear called Hero, I think Hero is the only new mythic which is well balanced and designed.
I am mainly focusing on Cataclysm in this thread because I think it desperately needs a change, even if none have been found. In case you haven't seen Cataclysm, you can see it on http://wynnapps.tk/item/
and later in this thread.
Here are the average stats of Cataclysm:

Slots: 3
Neutral Damage: 70-170
Thunder Damage: 70-700
Attack Speed: Super Fast

Lv. Min: 96
Dexterity Min: 105

Dexterity: +16
Thorns: +12%
Walk Speed: +16%
Hp: -4000
Stealing: +5%
Air Damage: +7%
Thunder Damage: +10%

The stats which surprised me are the -4000Hp and high damage along with super fast attack.
I think the -Hp should get lowered to something like -1000-2000 because -4000Hp cannot justify it's huge damage, which will theoretically be way too high for a balanced weapon.
Not everyone wants to be turned into a glass cannon either, I was wating months for this, because I main as assassin, but then this came out and it will force me to be a glass cannon if I use it, which I don't want to be. This will be bad for a lot of others too who became very hyped over the release of a thunder mythic dagger.
This needs to have it's -Hp and damage heavily lowered so it can appeal to more of the community who have seen it and will be more balanced, the damage and -Hp just seem insane right now.
I think these should be the stats.

Slots: 3
Neutral Damage: 50-125
Thunder Damage: 50-425

Lv. Min: 96
Dexterity Min: 105

Dexterity: +15
Thorns: +12%
Walk Speed: +15%
Hp: -1500
Stealing: +5%
Air Damage: +7%
Thunder Damage: +10%

The currently known supporters are @Endertricity and @Sohso

I did not add a poll for this to be added because people can express their opinions better in the comments instead of just voting "yes" or "no", so if you support this just leave a like and I will count you as a supporter. Try to leave constructive criticism in the comments, and not hate, also leave your opinions.
Give reasons for your answers, thanks.

EDIT: Buffed the thunder damage.

EDIT: From now on SAY why this should stay as it is if you disagree with me.​

 

Seeing as there are people who will pay 20 stacks for one with it as it is, I think it's completely fine.
It's INTENDED to be high damage glass cannon

 

So basically you want to water it down and make it a boring weapon.

No thanks. That's dull. Weapon variety is always important in games. There have to be weapons and gear that give insane debuffs in return for great buffs.

 

I know having variety is important in games, there are very original mythics like Alkatraz, Apocalypse and Stratiformis, my suggestion will not make it boring, it will just stop the damage from being insanely high, too high in my opinion.

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I know it is intended to be a glass cannon weapon, people can use glass cannon builds if they want, they don't need a -4000Hp item to add on to that.
Items like Ventus Tail, Shaggy Boots, Static Charged Greaves and Leictreach Makani can turn you into a glass cannon if that is what you desire. Most people don't desire that.

 

The people purposely using this item, expect to be a glass cannon

 

The builds that best support this weapon will literally reduce you to health befitting that of a Lv 30-40 player. That's not a glass cannon, that's suicide by cop.

 

I know, but most people who want a good thunder mythic don't want to be glass cannons, they want to have decent walk speed and good damage, but most of them also want defence which will not be terrible. I know people who use this right now expect to be a glass cannon, but as I said some people expected something different when they thought of a thunder mythic dagger. They wanted balance and not extreme inbalance.

 

Well, if you go agi/dex with some in int you can use Gemini and the Boreal chestplate from hive which will help with being squishy. Use some helmet and boots and you *might* get like 4-5k hp I think?

Hell use Cataclysm and Statue with WS gear

 

Some people want to use Cataclysm and be fast, as thunder and air normally have +% walk speed, in my build I wanted some good walk speed, like +35-50%, and you will need a great statue for your idea to work well.

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agree very true lol

 

Thunder / air builds are incredibly common so that adds a little survivability, also if you are doing 1500 on crits, -4k hp is fair. also what about defence items? gemini is perfect. +defence requires air/thunder which is a pretty common build. use aries and statue with like errant follow the wind and a kaze and then be real well off. Also your calling for an item to be made not fun and a HUGE nerf to an item that deals so much damage..... and it's been like not even a month since realse of the update

 

I know thunder and air builds often have bad defence, if you used kaze/follow the wind your hp would go down ever further, and as stated alot of people with thunder/air builds want good walk speed, and if you want that you will normally have to sacrifice health. The damage and -hp just seem way too high on this item. And assassin is a melee class anyways, you would have to go very near your enemies and you would take alot of damage from that most of the time. For a build like Morph Stardust, Boreal Patterned Aegis, Gemini and Statue, Follow the wind, Raging Wind x2 and Kaze, you would have under 14k hp, and probably bad defence stats because you need 105 dex for this and you would have -11% walk assuming your items have good stats. Their is a difference between people having worse than normal defence which most air/thunder builds have and being a glass cannon.

 

still keep in mind dex builds across mmo's/moba's/anything really are killed or get killed, it would be similar to the tier abuse stuff in the nether that has happened kill hella fast but die in like 1 shot

 

You made a good point, but the main point of this thread is to make it so Cataclysm is balanced, and can suit more builds than just glass cannons and people do not want to kill the enemies, or get killed, they want balance. Most builds will not kill you in 1 hit if you have 14k hp, but it will not change that you'll be a glass cannon. One of the main points of this is to make it so it can be used with more builds and not just glass cannons. Can we please stop talking about this now, I see your point but the comments of this suggestion are just getting spammed up with what will turn into flame wars. I have to log off in a few mins.

 

I love glass cannons.

 

So do a lot of people, but it is just not right for people to be forced to use glass cannon builds when using an item they were waiting months for.
I gtg now.

 

I dare you to post a poll.

 

The issue I have with it isn't that it's a glass cannon weapon. I mean, look at items like Shield Buster or Leictreach Makani. No, my issue with it is that it's too much of a glass cannon. The build that would support it seems almost entirely unviable due to the massive health reduction from holding it. You'll be reduced to getting killed in one hit by essentially anything your level, which makes all that extra damage entirely useless since the focus is on MELEE HITS from this thing.

 

what about thunder/fire build?

 

Those often reduce other vital stats, particularly health regen. You'll only be a touch more durable; maybe on par with a non-Cataclysm glass cannon build. MAYBE.