Nice Config, Mind Making It Actually Work Though?

Artikae · Mar 12, 2016

Heika said: ↑

It's improper to make players play a certain way. The classes and spells are very ambiguous so that the players can create what they think they are in their own heads, but with changes now, things are both unbalanced and forced to that certain playstyle with it. Updates shouldn't just change the way people fight dramatically, especially if they have had it that way for such a long time. Also, I didn't just say Assassin needs a buff, I just paid more attention to it because it has changed the most dramatically and been nerfed the most dramatically
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The only change directly to assassin in gavel was a fix for a long time bug that caused Multihit to do over 1000% damage. Everyone knew it was OP. No one really wanted it to stay bugged.

dead zeffe · Mar 12, 2016

Wtf am i reading

Zombiemonster314 · Mar 12, 2016

Should I just be a skrub who adds more heat to the war and says that they should buff mage and nerf assassin?

Heika · Mar 12, 2016

GG NO REMATCH

Sanae_pls · Mar 12, 2016

RIP|captainganon said: ↑

Eh... How about this: Everything in this thread is so backwards and dumb that I can't imagine him actually being serious. Or rather, this thread is full of unresearched information with no basis or source.
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im pretty sure you barely play lol

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RIP|captainganon said: ↑

Oh but you have. The game is balanced. You wanna know how? Every single class can Solo Qira without even being 100. Therefore, it's balanced.
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It's meant to be balanced for around 90, not 100

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How to really fix all the classes:

Warrior:
Change War Scream back to knockback mainly, not some knockback and 1000000 hits

Archer:
Make Escape provide Speed I, not III
Slightly decrease Bomb Arrow damage

Mage:
Bring Heal back to the old percentage heals
Bring Meteor to 300% damage on impact, 50% for fire

Assassin:
Bring Spin Attack to 150% damage (from thunder and air combined)
Have Vanish give Speed I at tier 1, Speed II tier 2, Speed III tier 3
Have Multi-Hit do anywhere from 50%-500% damage; 50% from farthest possible away, 500% from the closest possible distance

Selvut283 · Mar 12, 2016

Sanae_pls said: ↑

It's meant to be balanced for around 90, not 100
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Wrong. I recommend it for players Lv 96+, as that is the minimum recommended level for completing the last division of Hive, the Fire Division.

Sanae_pls · Mar 12, 2016

Selvut283 said: ↑

Wrong. I recommend it for players Lv 96+, as that is the minimum recommended level for completing the last division of Hive, the Fire Division.
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By that, I meant in the mid 90s, just didn't remember exactly what you had said

Artikae · Mar 12, 2016

Sanae_pls said: ↑

im pretty sure you barely play lol

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It's meant to be balanced for around 90, not 100

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How to really fix all the classes:

Warrior:
Change War Scream back to knockback mainly, not some knockback and 1000000 hits

Archer:
Make Escape provide Speed I, not III
Slightly decrease Bomb Arrow damage

Mage:
Bring Heal back to the old percentage heals
Bring Meteor to 300% damage on impact, 50% for fire

Assassin:
Bring Spin Attack to 150% damage (from thunder and air combined)
Have Vanish give Speed I at tier 1, Speed II tier 2, Speed III tier 3
Have Multi-Hit do anywhere from 50%-500% damage; 50% from farthest possible away, 500% from the closest possible distance
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Actually, that's a good set of changes. I would support them.

Dar-krusos · Mar 12, 2016

I think that having code-dev apps would be more useful than only Builder and GM apps. I for one can program (idk anything about coding in MineCraft, but it would be very easy for me to learn).

Pretzule said: ↑

Finding people to code a game within a game isn't easy work for them, they also have to find people they trust, so they won't just go around hiring people that play the game to actually code it, there is no previous relationship established with them.
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I'm betting on that plenty o' old players can help, just that they haven't been given the oppurtunity to display their coding prowess. It wouldn't hurt to take one apprentice on. I'd just suggest Jumla taking on one, intially, and then both of them can take on apprentices. The dev team could exponent by two every time.

flip · Mar 13, 2016

Heika said: ↑

I really do commend you on your ability to make very nice looking builds, but the more I come back here the more abhorrently obvious it is that you guys have absolutely no idea what you're doing in terms of balance and gameplay mechanics. Making things look nice =/= good gameplay.

So lets just go off the basis of what you've got going right now and work from there, comparing class by class:

Assassin:
I honestly see no point in even using this class right now. You have it so ridiculously weak that there's no point in even trying to level it when you can just use the other classes that have much stronger spells and mobility formats.

Need I remind you that this class is promised in selection the absolute highest damage in the game, and a pretty high amount of defense as well. The downside is meant to be its lack of range and lack of extreme mobility.

So why, I ask, would you give it a spin attack (which is barely that great in the first place in concept) that paralyzes for an extremely minute amount of time, uses up the hunger bar quickly, and does an average amount of damage. Why would you give the class a multihit move that does such low damage that it's pointless to even use in the first place, 15% per hit for 10 hits? Possibly the most pathetic spell I've ever seen in an mmo. I could literally do higher damage just whacking it with a basic attack. The only thing making the move worth while at all is the ability to move the enemy, but why is that useful at all when the player can already move themselves with vanish for lower amount of energy and time wasted. Vanish is the only move in Assassin right now that isn't utter garbage. Smokebomb is a joke now, you had already nerfed assassins literal assassination move, and made the class so pointless to use that the only real damage and effect spell left was the one that's meant to be defensive. Smokebomb is dissipated so dramatically now that it's not even aesthetically a smokebomb, and it doesnt even do much to help the class itself now. Now for a comparison. You advertise this class with 5 bars on the damage scale, and yet in a simple 2 minutes of testing with the exact same items transverse between classes, an Oak bow was killing level 7 zombies with base attack in half the amount of hits that it takes the Assassin class to do so. The fact that assassin has a faster attack speed is completely useless compared to Archers ability to fire off spells that do insanely high damage, and attack from extreme range alongside having possibly the highest mobility offered in the game.

Mage:
Good god, a meteor that slams down in 2.5 and does 400% damage? Are you out of your ever loving minds?! Mage already has the ability to slow things down from range, heal itself for huge amounts of health lost, and a highly spammable escaping spell. I don't even know how to talk about this class other than that because of how innately broken it is.

Warrior:
Eh, Warriors pretty fine right now.

Archer:
Oh god where do I start. It has a spell that launches it extremely far away, blinds and does damage, and gives speed 3 all at once?! I'm at a loss for words. At least make it do less than the 100% damage because thats absolutely ridiculous. Arrowstorm? a trifecta of arrows doing 20% damage and firing out 60 arrows? You dont even have to be playing the game to know that doesn't make sense, especially when the class is already virtually untouchable since it can leap pretty much anywhere and shoot down from there. Bomb arrow does an insanely high amount of damage, just like meteor. Coupled with the fact that it's spammable, and carries over elemental damage, you can basically use it to nearly oneshot any normal mob you're fighting, especially if you utilize the bouncing that it can perform. I dont even understand what Arrowshield is meant to be. How often do you use a bow class in a game and think: Gee, I wonder what a long range damage class should have for spells... Oh! I got it! How about a spell that shoots arrows up out the ground in close range around them and knocks things back far away and shoots out a ring of arrows!| I'm guessing the answer is never. Archer is long range, why are you giving it one out of 3 damage spells being a close range knockback spell. If anything, it should be a snipe spell that does high damage and has long range. I dont even know where to go with this, it makes no sense as a spell.

Altogether:
The server is extremely boring now, theres very little interesting to do and adding build expansions without extremely diverse gameplay mechanics does little more than make players docile for another month or two. You need to bring forward actual effort to balance your server, new mechanics and possibly even spells, and even further possibly even new classes altogether. The current set up isn't cutting it in terms of making the game fair for everyone that joins and keeping gameplay interesting even when not questing. Get your act together.
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qqcora · Mar 13, 2016

this thread omfg i bet 1000000 le theres already at least 10 like this one. inb4 75% of wynn (the assassins, mages, and archers) be like h8rs gonna h88888 and pl8rs gonna pl88888888 (insert taylor swift reference) and if you think all the broken classes make wynn boring, heres a solution: dont play and spare us all the h8tred of our beloved classes <3 (too all the assassin, mage and archer mains out there the rest of us <3 you)

StarchPlatinum · Mar 13, 2016

Jeez, getting 3rd degree burns from this flame war.

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