Nice Config, Mind Making It Actually Work Though?

I'm saying Warrior doesn't need changes because it 1) pertains exactly to what it suggests when selecting the class, 2) does a median set of damage and mobility compared to the other classes, 3) is usually the balance centric class because it contains pieces of all the classes at once in most games, and 4) because it has a combat system based off timing and progression rather than the long range others have.

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The storylines being better does not mean that they are good storylines themselves. I would agree that fixing the current glitches would come first, if not for the fact that the server has been unbalanced for years now and efforts to balance it are usually poorly planned out

 

I'd personally like to see numbers instead of people just saying "assassin is weak pls buff" (le strawmayne argument)
Would me making a suggestion saying "Assassin is strong, please buff" be valid if I just added a few more words?

 

Wynn is not a game based around PvP. That's a completely different area, and all it takes to win is skill. If you're now complaining that certain classes are worse than others in PvP, that's just an excuse. Go train, get better, every good player did at one point.

Wynn isn't really based on anything, except, oh, levelling up, progressing. How do you progress? Beating bosses. Which is the biggest, baddest boss? Qira.

Yes because doing 2000 damage with one swing of a spear is low damage. And it has no range at all, of course. And how could we forget that it fights using timing and progression.

Sure.

 

Solid numbers aren't the only valid form of showing a weakness, comparisons work just as well, and yes, if you added more words to that argument that explained why and gave comparisons/number data showing that it still needs buffs despite it being strong already then perhaps it would be a valid argument

 

TOP NO LIFE NETHER ASSASSIN CREEPERS AMONG US ON THE SCENE TO RID THIS TERRIBLE TRASH WITH FRESH SHITPOST! WHO DARES STEP UP TO THE CHALLENGE WITH MOI!?

 

They have 1 coder, give the dude a break. Also, the fact that assassins are considered weak is because before, they were a VIP class, which meant they were meant to be OP. As for the storyline, they aren't friggen HP Lovecraft. They can't go to sleep and magically create stories. These things take a long time to make. Besides, if you don't like it, just don't play. There's a million other servers to play on, not to mention other games that are more your liking

 

I didn't just say that it's weak and needs a buff, thank you for trying to insult my intelligence though. Anyways, I can make it more progressively in depth now if it fancies you. I will compare the third rank spells of all classes as they are set to match each other in the most relative ways. The issue here is seen in that the spells of each class does up to 200% more damage than that of what the Assassin is doing. If you would instead consider spin attack the damaging output move, it is still doing much less than the other classes third rank moves, and applying much less meaningful effects than those do. As it stands, Assassin is guarunteed the highest damage output as stated in game when selecting the class at a 5 bar damage rank. Thus, it would be strange to use the class and quickly find out that it doesnt actually do the highest damage of any class, and instead is just a method of hitting things faster.

 

Before it was Mage and archer, it was assassin. Before assassin was broken, Warriors were literally unkillable. Mages have basically been what assassin is now, for almost the entire history of Wynncraft. The game is more balanced now than it was a year ago. This really just shows that the design team is doing work towards balance, even if it is slow at times. The only thing they're really guilty of is overbalancing. Right now, assassin is in an awkward spot where it doesn't seem to have a purpose. Like every other class can do exactly what it can do better. I think they need some damage boosts to bring them at least on par with archer.

Balancing mages is a bit more difficult. If you remove damage, you end up with a class that has good utilities and crowd control, but can't beat bosses. I might support replacing healing with a more combat oriented spell, however you should be careful that Mage doesn't just become a worse archer.

I also agree that warrior is fine.

I think that archer is also fine. They are supposed to be a more ranged DPS character, after all. The archer is actually one of the best classes to look at for balance. They encourage a diverse playstyle instead of forcing the player to stay far away or close up. The enhanced mobility makes up for lack of defense and also allows archers to move up to melee range. It's a risk, because they have lower health, but it also increases their damage output. Really, I don't get why you thing nerfing archer would lead to more diverse play.

 

There is actually a very reasonable way to use assassin, I JUST posted a thread on this, it shows you a good option of a way to play assassin, it's not the best, I'll admit. But it definitely shouldn't be shrugged off as terrible, or weak.

 

Alright, firstly, coding is not a hard thing to do. If you don't believe me, check out the bending plugin. It's much more complex than this system of spell casting and was made in the span of a week, and is continually changed at a similar speedy pace to fix bugs found within it. Making spells and things like that on a system that is already made is incredibly easy to do and doesn't require a lot of time to implement. On the note of writing stories, making clever plots is not a time consuming act to perform unless you're hiring people that constantly have writers block and have little to no experience in story telling

 

I think I was trying to say that if they wanted a argument to be considered valid by people, they should add actual numbers into the suggestion. But if you just say "nerf mage pls buff assassin" (strawman :^]) and just put words in it, you get the result that is this thread. I'm pretty sure if you throw in a few calculations you have a stronger argument and will blow the minds of many peeps as well. And as for my hypothetical "pls buff mage nerf assassin" suggestion, even if I added a lot of words I'm sure people would just laugh. But if I tossed a few numbers, I'm sure some people would take it seriously.
wew this felt like it was all over the place

 

Numbers shouldn't really be a way of absolute determination for whether a balance suggestion is good or not, but alright then

 

Hopefully everybody realizes that just because you don't agree with something you don't have to start a flame war and insult the poster.

 

SILENCE JEREMY! I NEED SOMEONE TO TAKE THE BAIT TO EXPAND THE FLAME WAR INTO MY FAVOR! I MUST WIN THIS WAR!

YOU AREN'T LEAVING THIS CRIME SCENE SO EASY BUSTER!

 

I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence. I put the (le strawmayne argument) after the "pls nerf mage buff assassin" to signify that the "pls nerf mage buff assassin" was a strawman, and shouldn't be taken seriously. And as for your explanation, I don't really care about this issue, as I don't really care about wynncraft as much, so you should probably edit it into your post for others to see. I just wanted to see numbers, like damage with default weapons (birch, oak, blah blah) and things like that to show that Assassin really is weak.

 

Your guide is nice, but the issue with the form of combat that you are presenting is that it limits what you can do against the difference effects that have been provided to mobs now. Another issue is that it only caters to one gameplay style, which means all assassins would be the exact same. Your act of controlling crowds is versatile at that, but it doesn't make sense to balanced things around the people that have absolutely figured out the highest possible form of combat that a class can use. I'm sure you can see that, while what you provide is a good guide to use the current assassin, the class isnt given the highest damage output possible as it is promised when you select it

 

Well yeah, but people don't exactly take things seriously (as seen in this thread), but i'm just saying numbers make for a stronger argument, and when you got hard numbers you can't just say "lol i don't have to explain your dumb"

 

Which is why I stated, it's an "Option" I never said it was the best way. Also, I remember Salted stating at one point, that the amount of damage that is said in the class select thing, is damage per hit in a group of mobs, or something along those lines, let me find the quote quickly.

Edit: I was unable to find this said quote, but Salted did state that the reason why the damage says it's so high, is because I believe it's distributed more widely than the other classes, so thus making it so more damage to crowds.

 

stop right there kind sir

 

I'm not using 'mage is op so assassin needs to be buffed' as an argument, it isnt a strawman technique of putting my point. When balancing classes in a game, they are balanced based off of each other rather than the things they fight in game itself. I'm saying, that comparing the damage of the same two moves that are meant to be similar in being a base attack spell, one of them pales in comparison to every other class. I used Mage specifically because it outputs 400% damage which by itself already puts it well above every other class in damage output