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Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by gavriel330, Jan 9, 2016.

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  1. gavriel330

    gavriel330 The Chief Of The Guild Knights Of The Blood Oath

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    I Think Pets (If No Damage Or Pickups) Will Give You Some Buffs Like: Loot Bonus, XP Bonus & Spell Damage

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    VIP - 3-6 Totems
    VIP + Vet - 6-8 Totems
    VIP+ - 8-9 Totems
    VIP+ + Vet - 9-10 Totems
    :saltedhappy:
     
  2. NeonRider

    NeonRider Famous Adventurer CHAMPION

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    Seems like its making the server Pay 2 Win for me
     
  3. Zitrine

    Zitrine Lore-kun CHAMPION

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    The pet part is making the server "p2w" but I wouldn't really care if it's only loot bonus and stuff like that xP

    And the totem part... yespls
     
  4. org36

    org36 Well-Known Adventurer VIP

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    1. Vet shouldn't matter. It's a rank that's no longer available and that would mean only a few select people would get it. Said few select people probably doesn't have priority above more important stuff. Some of the Vets have probably left Wynncraft by now as well.

    2. If you're talking about "no damage" as you being at full health, that would completely unbalance the classes. Ranged classes would be more effective as they have a higher chance of a mob rushing at them with Speed 10 and smacking them enough to un-full health them. Melee classes (specifically Assassin/Ninja) would suffer HORRIBLY.

    3. Buffs. Here's the thing. This would conflict with the EULA. Also, this would "seperate" the community. Have you ever went to a P2W server? Their donators and normal members are completely seperated for the most part. The reason is because Donators are considered "higher" than the members due to the fact that they have buffs that members don't have (e.g. /kit in a factions server can give a Donator a full set of Diamond Prot 4 and a Sharp 4 Sword while the members have to grind diamonds, enchant it, and if the enchantment wasn't sastifactory, reenchant.) Right now, donators and members are pretty much equal. Buffs would unbalance it quite a bit.
     
  5. Flubby

    Flubby left and accidentally became leftist VIP+

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    ffs just give VIP and VIP+ 2x exp.
     
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  6. Shovel

    Shovel Follower of Tolvanism HERO

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    The whole problem I've had towards ranks on any server is the sense of elitism. Sure, with some, you don't get much special other than a colored name and aesthetics (like servers are supposed to be doing but tend to ignore), but in doing so you get people who just tend to ignore the rankless.
    And this violates the EULA.
     
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  7. Fread

    Fread Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    we gotta respect the Vets, we got to.

    You are welcome.
     
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    Enoxium Well-Known Adventurer

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    Yah we cant like make a merchant or anything
     
  9. Joshi

    Joshi Well-Known Adventurer VIP

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    Well to your 4. Point .... In the past Vip had Double Xp . And the Thing with the Totems you can see with more detail here. Its a thread from Salted Where he asked for Feedback to VIP(+) Double XP. And i guess this Thread of gavriel is just a suggestion of him to improve Salted's idea.

    (I hate the pet thing .-.)
     
  10. IggyBoii

    IggyBoii I Have No Idea What Im Doing VIP

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    ffs thats pay to win, and making them get more money like that.
     
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  11. Alexdacube

    Alexdacube The Cube is reborn CHAMPION

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    ok for everyone who says its pay2win i assume you don't want to keep this server running
     
  12. ben/MegaCharzard

    ben/MegaCharzard Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    Mojang doesn't enforce it anyways
     
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    AetherArising Famous Adventurer VIP+

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    Exactly.


    Look at hypixel, look at mineplex, look at any large scale server. Have they gotten slammed by mojang for it? Nope.

    Look at smaller servers. 99% are pay2win. You can buy god kits on survival/facs by paying money.
     
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  14. ben/MegaCharzard

    ben/MegaCharzard Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    Technically mineplex isn't violating the EULA but it changed a crap ton of stuff to not violate the EULA and now it sucks.
     
  15. Intrapillium

    Intrapillium uwu CHAMPION

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    I think a VIP, VET or VIP+ should always have x2 exp and anyone in a certain radius should get it too.
     
  16. org36

    org36 Well-Known Adventurer VIP

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    For Mineplex and Hypixel, it isn't p2w. The closest they come to violating it is a multiplication of currency earned and there's really only so many things you can get with said currency. In the end, you pretty much hit a brick wall faster as a donator. And, for the Mineplex example, even if you get the kit you want you still won't win without skill.

    For smaller servers, Mojang is too busy spending 3 months per update to even bash larger servers that violate the EULA. They definitely won't bash smaller servers at this point. And in said smaller servers, I can tell you the community either won't be there, is filled with donators lording it over the non-donators or is entirely made up of donators.

    Onto the 2nd part. Have you ever noticed that ranks in servers mostly run you into a brick wall faster than without ranks? I'll take the example of ranks in factions giving you op things. Because you already have op armor, picks, swords etc you won't need to grind for them AND it'll be way easier building a base. Non-donators have to work their way from wood-diamond while donators start straight at diamond with Efficiency 4 for mining obsidian. After building a base, there's literally nothing else to do other than defend the base; and watching paint dry isn't fun.

    Let's put this in this suggestion's context. Pets giving you buffs such as xp bonuses. Now, due to the xp bonuses, you'll be able to level up quicker; however, you'll also hit the brick wall called endgame quicker. After you hit endgame and there's nothing else to do, you move on to the next class, and the next, and the next. Eventually you'll get bored and quit.

    Now, if the donators hit the brick wall faster, that means the donators will leave and stop supplying donations faster. (And no, I doubt people will come faster.)

    I'll ask the OP something. Do you play to excel others or do you play to experience? If you play to excel others, if a rankless person and a person with a rank were to start at the same time, and the rankless person reached the level cap even at the same time as the person with a rank, the rankless person would be considered the victor. It's similar to fighting someone with full diamond armor and a diamond sword with only leather armor and a wooden sword but still winning. Therefore, by donating, playing to excel would automatically put you in a disadvantageous situation.

    Playing to experience, however, is a different story. If you're playing solo, the xp multiplier has to be almost enough to eliminate the grind to the cap with only quests. If you're doing it with other people, it's fine to take it slow; after all, memories are precious.

    Now, the thing is, letting the donators actually take their time and experience Wynncraft properly instead of throwing them 2 quests every time said donators complete a quest will lead to them buying xp bombs later on when it becomes grindier. Here's an example for what happens when you've already experienced Wynncraft properly: the Gavel beta testers. They already know what quests are where, what you need to do, as they have experienced it. That allows them to rush; and rushing would ultimately lead to the grind from level 90-100 where you would need to use bombs to shorten the time taken. You can only rush if you have experienced it already. If you have not, the xp bombs used would be less effective. And most people want to get their money's worth.

    (At this point I'm not quite sure what I'm talking about anymore. Something about the reason why xp bonuses were implemented and why it's detrimental if it allows the person with bonuses to completely overshoot playing for fun. Well, TL;DR if you're forced to proceed too fast in a game it won't be fun. I'm going to end before this becomes a huge wall of te- oh wait, it already is one. Oops.)
     
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  17. Alexdacube

    Alexdacube The Cube is reborn CHAMPION

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    ok lets have no on donate and see how long the server lasts its not cheap to run servers for freebies like you
     
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    SturerElch Well-Known Adventurer VIP+

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    Mojang wont enforce the EULA, because servers are one of the main reasons why people keep playing Minecraft. No servers > No active players > No money
     
  19. jpmrocks

    jpmrocks A Lone Wanderer

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    I feel the fact the risk is there should be enough to keep thing "balanced" between VIP and nonVIP. I mean, you could murder a man in cold blood, and the police won't find out, but in the long run, they could still find out, and be convicted of murder.
     
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  20. captainganon

    captainganon God of k | Derpalope VIP+

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    Reference to Salted? What?
     
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