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World Pvp Poison Problems

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by AmbassadorDazz, Sep 28, 2020.

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Fix Poison?

  1. Yes

    16 vote(s)
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  2. Yes, but change X (Comment why)

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  3. No

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  1. AmbassadorDazz

    AmbassadorDazz Discord Killjoy Staff Member Moderator

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    Wynncraft's bleeding wound - the Hunted mode. It gives +50% XP bonus to both combat and gathering. It also enables a new subset of players, Hunters, to go after said players, because "free crafting materials"!

    The problem is, Wynncraft was never balanced around PvP, and its most blaring symptom is the balancing (or lack thereof) of the poison stat.

    This suggestion exclusively focuses on the poison aspect of PvP. There are a couple ways poison can be fixed without killing Toxoplasmosis entirely (which is an interesting concept save for the flawed execution of PvP):
    • Poison Damage Hard Cap: In PvP, Poison is hard capped at 12000/3s. This includes the boost from Strength and Courage, but NOT the incoming damage increase from Curse (with Curse, the cap is 18000/3s).
      • This means each poison tick is capped at 4000 damage per second, before reduction from Defense (see below).
    • Poison no longer procs off of Reflection/Thorns: This is what (more or less) made Revenant + Toxoplasmosis combo so OP in the first place. Removing the ability for Poison to proc off of the defensive IDs such as Thorns and Reflection gets rid of the "unkillable Toxoplasmosis" debacle.
      • This suggestion is both for PvP AND PvE, as it enables poisoned cactus builds (and cactus builds are bannable - WHY ENABLE THESE BUILDS IN THE FIRST PLACE THEN).
      • Tangent: Agility also no longer ignores incoming Reflection/Thorns procs. Instead, it acts like damage reduction on those procs.
    • Poison respects Defense (partially): Against Poison, instead of being completely ineffective, Defense now reduces incoming damage, but half as effectively (e.g. if you have 150 Defense and you take a hit from a 12000/3s poison source, you only take about 59.6% of the incoming poison damage).
      • This will definitely enable Fire-dominant PvP archetypes - see below.
    Some of these ideas (exactly one of them) regarding poison are explored better on Novalescent's Improved PvP suggestion, which I recommend checking out.
     
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  2. Saya

    Saya you win at uwynn HERO

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    finally, a "nerf poison" suggestion with actual thought. Haven't seen one like this in a while.
     
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  3. AmbassadorDazz

    AmbassadorDazz Discord Killjoy Staff Member Moderator

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    Bumping until Poison is nerfed in PvP
     
  4. Bart (MC)

    Bart (MC) Ex-Item Maker & Day Counter (MC)

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    There's a boatload to say about what does and what doesn't work for changing poison (and PvP in general, really), most of which I still haven't made my mind up on, but I would like to say that putting an arbitrary hard cap on something when it comes to balancing is objectively the worst change you could make, and I do hope they won't take that path.
     
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    AmbassadorDazz Discord Killjoy Staff Member Moderator

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    Worth noting that this is what Novalescent came up with, as this was where I based the cap off of (and yes, while arbitrary, it is still leagues better than getting oneshotted by a toxo user). The other two - "Reflection/Thorns no longer procs Poison" and "Poison partially respects Defense" are not much unique either, but will still mitigate the effect of Poison, due to being unable to poison your enemies off of those two IDs (this also enabled poisoned cactus builds - AFK builds are not allowed) and the damage reduction from Defense reducing incoming tick damage from Poison.
     
  6. ThedumbOX

    ThedumbOX I swear I’m straight HERO

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    When this is implemented I’ll turn on hunted mode and complain that it wasn’t implemented faster





    Did not repost an old comment
     
  7. AmbassadorDazz

    AmbassadorDazz Discord Killjoy Staff Member Moderator

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    Bump, we have 100% approval rate (for now).

    Poison is still overpowered in PvP.

    No, me being a mod as of recently has no effect on this suggestion.
     
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