Hpr Reduces Poison Damage

This suggestion is directed towards pvp(I don't think there are any mobs that poison the player), currently poison builds are too strong in pvp, if a toxo shaman hits you once, you're dead!

My suggestion to counter this is to make the health regen stat reduce the poison tick damage by a flat amount.

Poison Damage Calculation:

Poison Damage/3 - (X * HPR)

(X is a constant coeficient for balancing purposes, I quickly checked some numbers and X= 1 actually looked fine.)


Pros:
Poison Builds would have a counter;
Health Regen fits thematically;
Having Health Regen in your build would actually be useful;
In the future it would be easier to implement mobs that apply poison on hit(due to poison having a counter);

Cons:
(IDK I'm biased)




(for the stuff below I'm assuming the X in the formula above is X=1)

Why AoR isn't a problem:
If a player switches to AoR they won't be dealing that much damage to you anyway, so you can probably kill them with a non-poison weapon, if your build isn't capable of dealing damage besides poison... it's your fault for being so toxic ;) .

Why consumables don't appear to be a problem:
It's not possible to make a consumable that will mitigate an overly significant amount of poison damage for builds with 0 health regen.
Builds with some amount of raw health regen in combination with a consumable that increases % health regen (for example something made with braveheart), would have too low damage to be viable and be too weak to non-poison builds.

Wouldn't the only viable build agains't toxo be an hpr build?
Toxo is very heavy on poison damage, so yes an hpr build would counter that build, just like a thunder defense build would counter a divzer build. The main purpose of this is to have a stat that can reduce poison damage.

 

I agree that poison (especially toxo) is way to strong in pvp, but I don't think this is the right solution.
This would mean the only viable build against toxo is a hpr build and all other builds would be garbage in comparison

 

Isn't that a bit like saying, the only viable build agains't a divzer build is full thunder defense?

 

Yes but actually no.

Divzer can be get countered with almost any build. its pretty well balanced imo

Toxo on the other hand doesn't really have any good counters (one shot builds kinda but not really)
The change that you are suggesting would leave toxo overpowered against all builds except hpr builds thus making that the only viable option.
I'm not sure what the best option to fix poison would be but this isn't it :c

 

I think you're focusing too much on toxo, while toxo is the main poison build currently, it's not the main aim of this suggestion.
Imo toxo is unbalanced more due to the stats it has, no negative ids, and all good ids , highest poison, walk speed, mana steal, life steal.

 

I think this is assuming that pvp is something that's going to get balanced.
It's not. It's not worth balancing and wynn's item system doesn't really allow for that.
Stuff like Agility and burst damage is unhealthily strong in pvp for obvious reasons, just like how Archer has an inherent advantage and walkspeed is crazy.

divide damage and healing by 10 already, so suggestions like these stop. Dividing output by an amount takes advantage of the inherent PvE balance present and doesn't require much effort.

 

I agree with what you said, but poison would still be stronger than an elemental damage build, because there is no way to reduce poison damage.

 

Yes, as a form of damage it is naturally stronger. However, it is much less numbers-wise because it is balanced around it being true damage.

It just happens to be strong in PvP because burst is so favored and how player damage reduction works in comparison to enemy damage reduction.

 

How many people have toxo though its a mythic item

 

you can probably kill them with a non-poison weapon
and no, people don't randomly swap AoR into their build during combat
ik u can do it in pve but u have an ego tower if u think u can pull it off versus a human

the item's rare therefore no one cares about balancing it
nice reasoning

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divzer's easily beatable in pvp. firstly they're commonly hybrid, and hybrid archer sucks in pvp due to your opponent's mobility. secondly, 0 agility hurts hard in pvp since it's so important; saya already made a point about agi in pvp.

i've duelled a divzer main before with negative thun def and our winrates are even. ele defs don't matter

 

I don't rly get what you are saying here. I wrote that down as an "edge case" that some people might think could be broken,

My point wasn't that divzer is op, it was that because it's main damage is thunder it doesn't mean only a build with high thunder defense will be able to beat it, just like if hpr reduced poison damage it wouldn't mean the only build able to beat a toxo build would be with an hpr focused build

 

Neither type of offense kills AoR. It's wrong to claim that non-poison builds can. AoR has no relevance in this discussion.

so what beats toxo

 

I would have to agree that poison should be deleted from pvp

 

Just make pvp be so that everyone has 10x hp or deals 10x less damage to enemies

 

Toxo actually have a counter ... a weathered
How about defense reducing poison damage, agility can sometimes dodge poison proc?

 

I find it funny that all the comments like reducing dmg, making def affect poison, etc are all perfectly viable solutions to poison in pvp that wouldn't force the item team to balance items around pvp

and yet they keep using the same argument over and over again of "oH wE cAn'T bAlAnCe aRoUnD pVp"

bruh if you can't balance items around pvp then just balance pvp around items it's that simple

 

Why waste time on pvp when there are much more, higher priority problems though? Pvp is an extremely small part of the game and I'm not super surprised that they don't spend a ton of time on it, I don't think anyone should be surprised

 

I mean ok but the fix probably doesn't take that long

and in the mean time there's a lot of players that are getting increasingly frustrated by the fact that the CT decided to implement a flawed gamemode and then refuses to fix its flaws, basically by saying that they don't care enough

 

Hunted came much before toxo got popular, so it wasn't really flawed... They can't think of everything you know
And if they haven't done it by now, it's either harder than it looks or has complications I'd say.