SPOILER Player realm beast theory

these are just some things I noticed that kinda fit well together for the player being a realm beast of the physical world or at least used to be

so I noticed the player has abilities that relate to both light and war, and if the player is a realm beast of the physical world
then them using these abilities is like being set on fire but using that fire on you to cause damage or spread it
to other people. and the reason orphion and ??? guy from hunters calling both try to influence in you in some way
is because they're subconsciously trying to influence you like the world itself. and the emotions, color, energy, and life you feel in apotheosis
and the reason its weight cannot be comprehended is maybe because these are the emotions and life of the whole world so you when you trying reach for something you once were you
feel the emotions and life of the world which you used to embody and which you are now separated from
also the shadows, the crown, and the world who separated us from our soul might be about
talking about saphanis, anathema, and orphion
and the split was because of the portals opening maybe?

there are some things here that are kind of stretches like the world meaning orphion and how the player doesn't
have any abilities related to dern, even if dern also has influence(maybe in a future update we'll get some idk tho)

but it makes enough sense to me so I'd like to hear other peoples thoughts on this

 

I feel like it's a big divergence from the established cosmology and Realm mechanics. Influence and Physicality don't seem to be similar; there's never any indication that the physical world might have a Beast. It's never called a Realm. Orphion and Anathema never indicate that you're similar to them, and neither does literally anyone in the setting. Is everyone we meet completely unable to detect this about us, including the Beasts who would presumably care whether there was another Beast on the battlefield they're about to use as neutral ground for a war? Are they all, mysteriously, unanimously, conspiring for us to realise?

Obviously, something's up with the player, but it's almost certainly not "we're secretly a Beast". Someone or something powerful is buried in us, we were mind-wiped harder than any other Fruman exile, and we have an ambiguously unique ability to read the world's memories (focal to most Secret Discoveries as well as both Memory Paranoia and Hollow Serenity). Could that powerful thing be a previously-never-hinted-at Beast? I guess? It seems implausible. If it were a Beast, that might even diminish it; Anathema isn't clear on what it is, but she seems to think it's dangerous to the other two Beasts, who are established as unable to defeat each other without external advantages.

AHC, as far as it means anything, is a lesson to the player about how destructive they could be if they pick the wrong side. The 'wrong side' given is usually the Corruption, led by Bak'al, who serves the Dark. So that probably isn't a call for us to drop our humanity and start worshipping that big ol' Satanic dragon.

My read on the player's Mysterious Power is that it'll be at least in part a nod to the MMO mechanics. We lack any interiority because the player character is a blank slate. We have multicolored power because there's fifteen ways we could manifest, none of which the game has an opinion on. (You correctly identify Lightbender = Light and Fallen = War, but the Riftwalker uses Cosmic magic and both the Acolyte and the Shadestepper could plausibly claim some of the themes of Dark.) We're dangerously strong because, as the player character, we are necessarily able to defeat every threat that we properly face. This doesn't really fit with the extremely monocolor way of the Beasts; they have singular, absolute, incontrovertible identities - with Anathema's rejection of War being an unusual deviation - and are essentially helpless to not pursue the propagation of their power. Anathema is constantly fighting her nature, and even then, all that buys her is a small, isolated province with no Corruption. Everywhere else, it - an extension of her - still marches along following that path of assimilation, and the moment her control slips she starts propagating it too.

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I also don't know what this shadow/crown/world thing is.

 

the shadow, crown, and world thing is from the new point of no return, our soul says that those 3 are what seperated us, also I forgot to mention this but the player being the world or something could be the reason we seem Indistinguishable from thousands, from the pov of the queen until warthorn palace, also when does it show the player getting mind wiped btw? did i miss it in one of the quests, and what do you think about the familiar spark anathema saw within us

 

Recover the Past implies it (it doesn't show us getting mindwiped, but our memories are the only Fruman exile's that can't be accessed), Fruma Mystery showed us the memory. (I'm pretty sure Fruma Mystery was removed with the trailer release so idk, but you can probably find it on yt)

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This is how I've always interpreted it, more or less. From a metanarrative standpoint we have to be special: We are the player, we must win and have a fulfilling story in this strange world we step into. But at the same time: we are the player. We are one of thousands, perhaps millions! Literally! There so many players. Imagine if the player had defined characteristics! Wouldn't it be weird to be more or less forced to say things? (a lot of quests imply that you summarize things to NPCs but never actually put words in your mouth. Some Fruma quests do that for the sake of scene composition, Revelations in Fall comes to mind.) But the vast majority of times in modern quest design, you have a choice. And that choice, not dancing on the strings of the plot and being your own real person, who is not coded and scripted to say this here, that there, is what makes us: the player, the players powerful in the world of the game. The game doesn't choose where you go or what you do when you play, it doesn't determine what items you wear, it simply gives you a place you can almost step into, and what you choose to do with that is entirely up to you. That's the spark, in my opinion. And the reason why it's familiar to Anathema: She is the only person in the entire world of Wynncraft capable of understanding that. Of all people she was a puppet on strings, and she alone managed to break free. That's what she sees.

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And this supports that, in a lot of ways. We are the player: we have to be able to uncover the world's secrets. We have to be able to find the forgotten history.

 

It's worth noting that the WynnPC is the most well-traveled character known, period. Nobody else ranges as far as we do! Bob got close, but he doesn't seem to have visited Corkus, and he certainly didn't find Fruma, nor did he come back from the Silent Expanse or visit the Realm of Light. Theorick, Lari, Bak'al? Local powers. Two? She doesn't seem to physically go anywhere; like the Beasts, she's just a watcher.

This becomes really significant when you look at Tasim and Aledar, because it is explicitly contrived that we are better-traveled than both. They are cast as our counterparts, reflections of us, down to Tasim's blessing being "intention". Yet Aledar never sees Fruma - because he dies - and Tasim never sees the Expanse - because he didn't go. (Neither of them went to the Realm of Light, either, nor did they go to Corkus.)

Considering how deeply forgotten the things we exhume are, we'll probably see the nature of the Secret Discoveries tied in to that spark.

 

According to dialogue as interpretted by Deusphage, Two has been to SE.

 

She is absent until Highlands literally because she is in the Silent Expanse

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I'm not interpreting it, the dialogue is meant to convey that she was snooping around in the Silent Expanse. This is What Was Intended By The Authors.

 

Man, why couldn't we be walking through eyeball woods and see for a split second Two on a tree. Like where is she. Is she the same place the Fool Eater is <- has never seen fool eater

 

According to our soul, we were only ever human. Not sure if that should be taken literally or not, though

 

I think this firstly begs the question of whether other people/creatures can canonically use the same magic we can; we know they can use basic spells, but just how far down into the ability tree can their magic go?
Some mobs can use Vanish which is technically a Shadestepper ability, but they do so because back in the old days, Vanish was the Assassin's R-R-R instead of Dash. And I'm fairly certain there are plans to phase out the overgeneralized basic mob spells anyways.

 

Gestures at Rex and Zeph.

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Or, to be less glib: Rex pulls out Twain's Arc against Tasim before she gets her arm lopped off, and also seems to use Arrow Storm, and Zeph uses Vanish many times throughout the plotline.

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Furthermore, Remains of the Cursed implies that the classes are... metaphysical constants, somehow? Because these random Frumans just, independently developed them and called them the same thing?

 

I would think of classes as archetypes (not the ability tree ones). The pattern exists, but it's not required that somebody fulfills it

 

Think about it,
5 classes the player can be,
Corruption (and presumably light & dark) only have 1 strand (kinda its like a ghost freak strand)
But the physical plane has 5 strands. (the 5 elements)

The player can then pick out of 3 (like the 3 influence realms) archetypes... interesting... almost like we're an embodiment of an aspect of the physical plane and can be influenced...
This theory is confirmed by me its like 100% true.

I still go back and forth if the player even has memories that were wiped at all,
- Dr Picard said it was like we had no memories at all. Yet Fruma Mystery apparently shows us a memory but then, why did the orb explode when we tried but the Metamorphosis item just, does it?
- The Inquisitor says after Tasim there are 2 more that can fit in the caravan, Aledar and presumably the player. But is he saying 2 more including or excluding Tasim? Not really clear
- A Journey Home shows the recruits coming out as pairs while we were a trio, but then also says we like remember or knew we were unconscious in that train at one point idk how we knew that