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Game Mechanics Coop Lootruns

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Crokee, Nov 26, 2023.

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Should Coop Lootrun be added?

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  2. Yes, but make changes (comment on them!)

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  1. Crokee

    Crokee Nudist poking eyes CHAMPION

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    A spunoff suggestion from my Coop gamemode, Coop Lootrun is essentially where you and up to 3 other players can lootrun together.

    Starting a Coop Lootrun
    To start, all players must have unlocked Lootruns of the given location. Everyone must be online in the same Lootrun location and world to start it. The player that starts the Lootrun can send invitations to other players and are given 1 minute to accept in chat (the leader). Up to 4 total players can be in the Coop Lootrun. You can also use /pfinder as well for a default 4 player Coop Lootrun.

    The type of Beacons and the % chance of Vibrant Beacons will be determined by whoever has the highest Lootrun level.

    Mechanics of a Coop Lootrun
    Each player in the lootrun will get their own client-sided loot upon completing a challenge, just like how it is solo.

    All mobs' HP will be multiplied by X times, where X is the number of players in the Coop Lootrun. Everything else on mobs is unchanged.

    To start a challenge, all players must be within the circle of the starting area before beginning the challenge.

    All time obtained or removed will be multiplied by x1.25 more than a solo Lootrun to account for waiting for players to finish each challenge. This multiplier is applied in everything, such as completing a challenge, green beacons, traveling in between challenges, and missions that remove time as well.

    Upon completing a Boon/Mission challenge, the leader will choose the Boon/Mission. Other players can vote on the Boon/Mission, with stacks appearing beside the Boom/Mission as the votes. However, these votes are merely a suggestion, and the leader will ultimately make the final decision.

    If a player logs out of a Coop Lootrun, that player has 1 minute to log back in, or they will be kicked out of the Coop Lootrun. Upon being kicked out, the player's Lootrun will be converted to a regular, solo Lootrun, while the others leftover will continue their Coop Lootrun. If the resulting number of players in the Coop Lootrun equals 1, both players will be converted into a regular, solo Lootrun.

    To kick a player out of a Coop Lootrun, the leader can /party kick.

    Ending a Coop Lootrun
    At the end of the Lootrun, all players will have the same number of rerolls, pulls, and sacrifices as calculated by the Lootrun. Sacrifices for calculating extra pulls at the end will be determined by the summing all players' extra pulls from each of their previous run divided by the number of players (average), then rounded down. Each player will get to roll their own loot, as well as choosing to sacrifice their pulls or not individually. Each player will still get the same amount of Lootrun XP as usual. If there are players with a daily Lootrun not used yet, the daily will only apply to whoever still has it individually.

    Only the leader can end a Coop Lootrun prematurely.
     
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    Sir_Doomed Can't think of anything to put here

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    I feel like the multiplier should probably be higher than the playercount, because 4 players working together is going to be more than 4x stronger than a single player because of synergies and stuff.
    Except damage scaling can cause weird stuff so feel free to disagree with me on this.
     
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    ineedhelp You need help?

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    yes plssssssssssssss
     
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    point_line Well-Known Adventurer

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    how are challenges selected
     
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    Wpffle Tacobell VIP

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  6. Crokee

    Crokee Nudist poking eyes CHAMPION

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    Forgot to copy paste from my Coop gamemode suggestion, my bad:

    "To start a challenge, all players must be within the circle of the starting area before beginning the challenge."

    Will 4 DPS players deal less damage than say 3 DPS players and a buffer? Or rather can 4 players kill Greg more than 4 times faster than a solo player would? Honestly it's up to the team on how well they can optimize. Assuming a pfinder party, I would assume on average the team will be much slower than on solo. The HP multiplier should be worked around pfinder, and I was even thinking about nerfing it to x3.5 or something, but I will leave it at x4 for now. Of course I won't have data on this nor will I ever will, so this number is going to be in the hands of Salted to decide if this ever gets implemented.
     
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    Melkor The dark enemy of the world HERO

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    I would like this, but with some changes to just make it more unique. As it is, it sounds like just an easier version of a lootrun, but with some level of social interaction. I think this should have unique challenges or boons/curses/mission rewards (whatever those are called), that only work with multiple players. Especially if the curses/boons could be targeted at other players, so you have to decide what's best for the party as a whole to do well.

    I do also think that the buffs applied to mobs might need to be scaled up as well, as having a dedicated healer and DPS or even two people to draw the agro can make things way easier than just a 2x health multiplier would counter. I also would want to see that handled in a way that fits more with multiplayer; instead of a doubling enemy health with two players, add a few extra enemy spawns that target one player exclusively, or an enemy that can prevent one player from healing the other or something.
     
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    Crokee Nudist poking eyes CHAMPION

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    Crokee Nudist poking eyes CHAMPION

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    Fryelt Mythics were a mistake CHAMPION

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    bumping this. As someone that lootruns here and there, I'd love being able to play with other people in one.
     
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