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World Ancient Wynnic Language Rework

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by hmtn, Oct 29, 2022.

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Do you support this reworK?

  1. Yes

    48 vote(s)
    64.0%
  2. Yes, but with changes

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  3. Neutral

    4 vote(s)
    5.3%
  4. No

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  5. wait what how

    9 vote(s)
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  6. why would you do this? to yourselves, to us?

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  1. hmtn

    hmtn Archivist of the Realm VIP+

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    Correspondence, maybe? With maybe a distinction between private and public ones in two different classes (dark & fire, respectively, off the top of my head).

    You make a good point about the t / θ thing. At first I thought that strange allophone.. something would keep that from happening (and I wanted to set up the french thing), but you're right in that with [θ] having a role as an allophone of /t/ (before <r>, even) that Olmic speakers would naturally hear and spell a "thread" loanword with a t, a la tred.

    But if we use (arg) oryorn then it's sort of a moot point, yes. The sentence would then be Iste arg ereoryon ynn le ker eryt anol, though context cues and the Olmic proclivity to drop as much as possible in informal contexts could probably shorten it even further to Iste ere ynn le ker (eryt?) anol.
     
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    TrapinchO retired observer of the wiki VIP+ Featured Wynncraftian

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    Iste uzutred ynm le ker eryt anol.
     
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  3. TheLMiffy1111

    TheLMiffy1111 Previous Leader Of A Revived Wynn Community CHAMPION

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    it's not fred, it's tred
     
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    TrapinchO retired observer of the wiki VIP+ Featured Wynncraftian

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    for the record I copied what I saw first
     
  5. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    Let’s bump this again. This has way too much effort to let go to waste.
     
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    TrapinchO retired observer of the wiki VIP+ Featured Wynncraftian

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    what if we made Ancient Wynnic duolingo course
     
  7. Shiny_Bridge

    Shiny_Bridge I don’t mind pings :)

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    Learning languages with no native speakers is so hard isn’t it?
     
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    TrapinchO retired observer of the wiki VIP+ Featured Wynncraftian

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    I mean, we have @hmtn. We have no one else who understands it though, so it might be a problem.

    Semi unrelated, I think it would be amazing if we actually used the language (or a different one) and developed a small speaking community (like klingon iirc).
     
  9. Shiny_Bridge

    Shiny_Bridge I don’t mind pings :)

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    Honestly, if I wasn't learning Latin currently, I would love to do that.
     
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    Krooza Professional dumbass HERO

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    aaaaaaaaahhhhhh this is making my 2 brain cells hurt¡
    Too too complicated
    ¿Is this even a question mark¿
    At this point I really don't know
    Hello¿
    Is that you¿
    No¿
    I must be going crazy¡
    I hope I'm not being corrupted
    Haaaaaaaalp¡
    *Inaudible screaming*
     
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    TrapinchO retired observer of the wiki VIP+ Featured Wynncraftian

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    Please try to recollect your calm, them quickly close this internet tab and await further (simpler) languages.
     
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    TheLMiffy1111 Previous Leader Of A Revived Wynn Community CHAMPION

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    Leyste ird olm reo amir yatinre re
    Neste eryt renoth yatin io isteor koxa
    Ik ren kox ik mec iste althosazanwarn
    Neste laf te vergon ird olm reo iste re yernre
     
  13. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    Here’s a bump
     
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    hmtn Archivist of the Realm VIP+

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    bump!

    We don't understand the people who love [this]
    You understand the contracts and you are [all] the same.
    i am imagined by a complete agreement
    You are (laf te? lih te -the soul?) from a people who i don't retrieve (missingnoun).

    Hmm.
    Are phe laf te? Iste ird ererern yatinre.

    (Kanre, neste arg rern phaqo.
    Iste neste mikzan phe kan ereor.)

    A huge chunk of the headspace I had for the tongue has been repurposed for other various activities. It took me like a half an hour to pour through the documentation for the response above and put together something that I thought read well.

    The language, for all it's various cursed features, is nowhere near as complicated as it looks. It's just all alien and whatnot. The most basic and important structure thing, I feel, is the [Article] Noun [Article] Noun [Verb] structure. The mandatory articles are probably the only way this language sticks together, I feel.

    My current project has me drawing a bunch of syntax trees to make sure that complicated clauses don't break everything, and I don't quite remember any of us doing that in the process of making this beast. Ancient Wynnic just isn't built to that level of robustness, but it can manage most tasks, I feel.

    As for the Wynn community auxlang I'd def def vote in favor of a different one. The languages currently in the pipe are all more polished than this, and the quality's only going to go up as we do more of these.

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    ... but, for now, sina sona ala sona e toki pona? tenpo lili la, sina ken kama sona e toki ni. a, ni li toki pona suli.
     
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  15. That1DireWolf

    That1DireWolf nyoom

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    siethe-- leyste aran.
    siethe-- leyste mena.
    siethe-- leyste penasr.
    siethe-- leyste penasros.
    tho faya-- io fayaros.

    Leystarnoth le eryt syles wynkarehanos.​

    just curious but wondering what this reads as to you guys? wanna check if i translated correctly ^-^;;

    note:
    tarn-- te (thing) + aran (to see); either "eye" or "eyeball" depending on context cuz they're pretty much interchangeable outside of certain cases. since eryt rern (mouth) uses Earth i figured why not keep the trend. dih tarn is probably sight or vision, idk. couldnt find a word for this so,, yeah.
    "siethe" is kept ambiguous for a reason :)
     
  16. TrapinchO

    TrapinchO retired observer of the wiki VIP+ Featured Wynncraftian

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    Also anything besides nouns and verbs is clunky and there is little way to go from one type to another iirc.

    Yeah, we still have the mythical Proto-Frumic. Ancient Wynnic would have been great as the "ancient" language, not just one area.
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    Alsp hmtn we really need the thing, maybe for others ones as well?
     
  17. Dr Zed

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    Another bump
     
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    Not gonna let this die
     
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    join WynnTheory

    clang

    join the cult


    by the way, do you have any ideas for clangs?
     
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    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    I do not unfortunately. I am not that skilled with languages (but I am learning Mandarin though).
     
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