Game Mechanics Buff Forgery chest (97.9% Support)

Currently the Forgery chest is the second most efficient way to obtain the most powerful and valuable items in the game. And it is also one of the worst.

For a long time Wynncraft has had the problem of having only having one biable way to obtain their top tier of items, that being endlessly and mindlessly cliching chests until you get lucky. (And also bullshit p2w totem dloot) This has the very not good effect of players either skipping out on actual content or players being barred from the most powerful items because, well, they actually want to play the game. (Disclaimer, I am not condemning lootrunning, if you enjoy lootunning that's totally cool as I enjoy it myself.)

The devs tried to adress this by implementing the forgery chest. A reward crate that gives you increased rewards for each different Corrupted Dungeon you complete witgout dying. Among this reward pool is Mythics, which is kindof laughable statement as the current rates are horrendously bad.

A full 8/8 run gives a 1.5% chance of a Mythic drop. Does'nt sound too bad, until you realise that means you need to run forgery on average of 67(!) times, at 35 minutes a run... if you're good. That's nearly 40 hours of gameplay for a single Mythic! Ofcourse there is a stipulation rhat every full run completed without a Mythic gives a boost to you chances, but it is comically bad, at like .015%. Although it increases as time goes on, by the time the increase has any noticable change, you're probably waist-deep in shit luck, as this functions as more of a bad luck sheild than anything.

For context, a lootrunner will find a Mythic every 1-2 thousand chests. Each full run of SE, Rodo, Sky, Void, Corkus, CotL has roughly 400 chests. And takes 2(?) hours or so to complete. (I don't keep track of time well but it's in that range). So 1 Mythic every 5-10 hours.

5-10 vs. 40, hot damn.

My suggestion is to start the Mythic chance at 2% with an increase of .1% every run. Sounds like a lot? Meh. My not very good math skills suggest it would take about 20 runs to get a Mythic, so just under 12 hours, still far slower than lootrunning, which needs to be nerfed to death anyway.

Thoughts? More Buff, Less Buff, Good Buff, No Buff? Comment plz.



Edit: Make the Mythic chance increase stack accross multiple classes aswell. Being Added!

 

There's also the point that the dungeon item rain is absolutely terrible as well. I think that increasing the rate of chance increase to 0.1% is a good idea, but having item rain be actually good instead of an emerald block or two (maybe even actually have a chance, low like 0.01%, to get a mythic) could be nice as well.

 

If anyone reading this thread would like a more in-depth understanding of how the forgery chest works for comparison purposes:
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/2-0-forgery-odds-and-you-a-mathematical-analysis.302718/

That being said, I do feel like the increase per run is extremely minimal and it would be nice if it may be increased by .15% instead of just .1%? But at the same time I do find it a bit difficult to complain about the only guaranteed method of obtaining a mythic

 

Is it really THAT guaranteed tho? 40 hours is an insane amount of time, compared to 5 to 10. Not to mention that loot running is way easier to do; you don’t have to worry about keys or runes, nor about dying or getting soft locked in a dungeon.

It has always boggled my mind that the CT continually makes anything but the core gameplay loop the primary money making method / mythic finding method. Raids and corrupted dungeons would be perfect for rewarding mythics for their teamwork and combat, but instead the best way to find them is to instead mindlessly clicking chests for hours on end.

 

I mean, it's guaranteed after like... 200 smth runs.....

 

I'm not saying it's great but a guarantee is a guarantee, no matter how long it takes lol. I'm not opposed to them buffing the rates, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone in CT used the "it's guaranteed at some point" argument in defense of not buffing the rates

 

How many 8/8 runs have you completed btw? The rates are NOT horrible. In like 50 odd 8/8 runs I've gotten 2 mythics which were only 4 runs apart. I'd gotten 2 mythics in around 300 7/7 runs before then.

I find it hard to put into words but I find this atmosphere of "everyone and I mean every single player should have guaranteed easy access to Mythics". It's weird and feels wrong to me. I'm not interested in writing an essay on this, though.

 

and how long did it take you to do this sir

 

or you got lucky

(this is not supposed to be arguing for either side of the suggestion)

 

He isn’t saying everyone should have easy access to mythics. He’s saying that the Forgery mythic chances should be better to closer match loot running. Which imo the Forgery and/or Raids should have always been the best way to get mythics (time-wise) and not loot running due to the much higher skill requirement and resource cost (keys, runes, and whatever consumables used for combat).

 

up i am sick and tired of lootrunning please make enjoyable content viable please pleas ibeg

 

You realise that 50 runs is insane luck and also is still longer than it takes on average to get 2 from lootrunning right?

I mean, I got 2 Mythics in 13 chests from lootrunning... took like 2 minutes.

 

The irony.

 

How so? Ironic beacuse I compared insane forgery luck to insane lootrunning luck? It isn't even possible to get 2 Mythics that fast from forgery, Even if you got it twice in a row.

 

Just discovered that if you run Forgery on a different class, the Mythic chance increase does not stack! Which means whenever you want to grind for Mythics you have to hrind each class individually!

Remove this shit please!

 

I think if the rate is increased to 2.0% with CFF, then it'll be fine

 

How much time does CFF add to the run though?

 

I imagine it'll add 10-15 minutes.

Maybe completing the forgery chest under a certain time would reward you with higher chances for mythics etc.? (Under 45 mins = +base 0.1%, Under 30 mins = +base 0.2% etc.)

Also, the forgery chain should definitely be used to increase rewards, from a forgery chest shop thing

 

Those times are hard to aquire now with 8 runs, (I'm not even sure if sub 30 is possible) let alone with 9 runs. If they add CFF just buff it more.

 

Time-gating the rewards isn't a bad idea since most people who grind for mythics are ones who value efficiency anyways, but it's not even necessary. That's one of the biggest problems with mythics right now - most casual players have absolutely no hope of getting one and therefore cannot use the coolest/strongest items even with consistent play (unless they're really lucky).

I'd propose buffing the forgery chest scaling with a daily cap, that way a longtime player can play every weekend for a few months and be rewarded for sticking with the game. At the same time, forgery grinders can benefit from greater efficiency.

Nobody runs more than 5-10 forgeries a day unless they're mentally ill, so if you set the daily % increase cap to 10% (e.g. 1.5 -> 1.65) and just raise amount each individual run gives (e.g. 5 runs at 2% each instead of 10 at 1% each) you make the forgery way more enjoyable without breaking the game (your chances won't climb to unbalanced levels).