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Game Mechanics Major ID's for Crafted Items, Balancing/Improving HICH gameplay. EFFORT POST!

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Puzzler888, Apr 7, 2022.

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  1. Puzzler888

    Puzzler888 Puzzler Puzzled a Puzzling Puzzle? CHAMPION

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    So, I have recently started a HICH play-through, and have soon realised that no ingredients give any Major ID's. This isn't much of a problem until higher levels of gameplay where builds rely on their Major ID. E.g. Greed, Hawkeye, Plague, Sorcery.

    (I'm just throwing ideas out into the world)

    I propose this,

    ALL ingredients which provide Major ID's will be Tier 3.
    Only ONE Major ID per crafting recipe.
    These ingredients should mainly come from BOSS ALTARS.

    What does this do?

    Adds more variation to crafted gear.
    Rare enough to make them exciting to find.
    Adds more uses to boss altars but doesn't make them mandatory .

    Here are some ideas for ingredients.
    And here is a link to all the Major ID's if you can't remember them all.
    Identifications - Official Wynncraft Wiki (fandom.com)

    BOVINE BARN
    ITEM - Cow Hoof
    MJAOR ID - Cavalryman
    Other ID - +1%-4% Walkspeed
    -70 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Tailoring

    ROTTEN PASSAGE
    ITEM - Corrupted Crown
    MAJOR ID - Greed
    Other ID - -Intelligence
    +4%-8% Exploding
    -100 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Armouring, Weaponsmithing, Woodworking

    SUNRISE CANYON
    ITEM - Pocket Watch
    MAJOR ID - Magnet
    Other ID - +2%-4% Stealing
    +1%-3% Reflection
    -75 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Jeweling

    PRISON OF SOULS
    ITEM - Broken Chains
    MAJOR ID - Free Runner
    Other ID - -30% Sprint Regeneration
    +3-6 Strength
    -90 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Armouring, Jeweling, Weaponsmithing

    PLAGUE LABORATORY
    ITEM - Infected Fingers
    MAJOR ID - Plague
    Other ID - +42/3-70/3 Poison
    -66%-77% Main Attack
    -66%-77% Spell Damage
    -14-22 Health Regeneration
    +40 duration
    PROFESSIONS - Cooking, Alchemism

    TRIBAL SANCTUARY
    ITEM - Tribal Scriptures
    MAJOR ID - Transcendence
    Other ID - -33%-49% Spell Damage
    +6-12% Loot Bonus
    +5-10% Xp
    - 50 Duration / -120 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Scribing, Tailoring

    MAGMASTREAM CORE
    ITEM - Fiery Heart
    MAJOR ID - Heart of the Pack
    Other ID - +10%-20% Fire Defence
    +10%-20% Fire Damage
    +1 Tier Attackspeed
    +4-8 Defence
    -4-8 Strength
    -140 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Armouring, Tailoring, Weaponsmithing

    CHALLENGE OF THE BLADES
    ITEM - Haunting Shadow
    MAJOR ID - Taunt
    Other ID - +9-16 Agility
    +9-16 Defence
    +7-14% Earth Defence
    +7-14% Thunder Defence
    +7-14% Water Defence
    +5-8% Thorns
    -13%-23% Main Attack Damage
    -13%-23% Spell Damage
    -16%-24% Walk Speed
    -160 Duration / -175 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Armouring, Tailoring, Jeweling, Alchemism

    ALTAR OF SANCTIFICATION
    ITEM - Skien's Courage
    MAJOR ID - Rally
    Other ID - +18-27% Main Attack Damage
    +120/4-180/4 Life Steal
    +1/3 Mana Steal
    -75%-90% Health Regeneration
    -26%-39% Soulpoint Regeneration
    -230 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Weaponsmithing

    ITEM - Skien's Anger
    MAJOR ID - Furious Effigy
    Other ID - -1/3-2/3 Mana Regeneration
    -1/3-2/3 Mana Steal
    -30/4-90/4 Life Steal
    +14%-32% Walk Speed
    +21%-41% Spell Damage
    +48%-72% Exploding
    -210 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Woodworking

    ARENA OF THE LEGENDS
    ITEM - Legendary Buckler
    MAJOR ID - Guardian
    Other ID - +1400-2200 Health
    +66%-88% Health Regeneration
    +300/4-550/4 Life Steal
    +6-12% Thunder Defence
    +6-12% Air Defence
    -66%-69% Spell Damage
    -3/3-6/3 Mana Regeneration
    -1 Jump Height
    -14%-20% Xp
    -22%-34% Walk Speed
    -240 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Armouring, Weaponsmithing

    ITEM - Legendary Quiver
    MAJOR ID - Hawkeye
    Other ID - +19%-31% Spell Damage
    -11%-22% Main Attack Damage
    +7-13 Agility
    +7-13 Strength
    -14-26 Dexterity
    -400-800 Health
    +4%-6% Reflection
    -250 DurabilityPROFESSIONS - Woodworking

    GEYSER PIT
    ITEM - Iron Chunk
    MAJOR ID - Geocentrism
    Other ID - +33%-55% Earth Defence
    +33%-55% Earth Damage
    +5-13 Strength
    +5-13 Defence
    -2/3-3/3 Mana Steal
    -12%-25% Walk Speed
    +3%-7% Reflection
    -270 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Woodworking

    ITEM - Rich Ore Vein
    MAJOR ID - Greed
    Other ID - -500-750 Health
    +3%-5% Stealing
    +5%-11% Loot Bonus
    +5%-11% Xp Bonus
    +2-4 Defence
    -70%-110% Health Regeneration
    -17%-47% Sprint Regeneration
    -230 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Armouring, Tailoring, Jeweling

    AERIE OF THE RECLUSE
    ITEM - Adamastor's Armguard
    MAJOR ID - Saviour's Sacrifice
    Other ID - +700-1300 Health
    -12%-18% Main Attack Damage
    -12%-18% Spell Damage
    +1/3 Mana Regeneration
    +20%-30% Thunder Defence
    -20%-30% Water Defence
    -265 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Weaponsmithing, Woodworking

    THE ORANGE WYBEL
    ITEM - Orange Clock (get it, heh)
    MAJOR ID - Peaceful Effigy
    Other ID - -4000-6000 Health
    +88%-111% Health Regeneration
    +25%-45% Earth Defence
    +25%-45% Thunder Defence
    +25%-45% Water Defence
    +25%-45% Fire Defence
    +25%-45% Air Defence
    +7000/3 Poison
    -44%-66% Main Attack Damage
    -44%-66% Spell Damage
    PROFESSIONS - Woodworking

    ITEM - Fluffy Hair
    MAJOR ID - Lightweight
    Other ID - +15%-30% Air Damage
    +30%-45% Air Defence
    +7-14 Intelligence
    +13%-39% Walk Speed
    +16%-32% Spell Damage
    -16%-32% Main Attack Damage
    -290 Durability / -250 Duration
    PROFESSIONS - Armouring, Tailoring, Jeweling, Scribing, Alchemism

    BOTTOMLESS PIT
    ITEM - Mass Hysteria
    MAJOR ID - Fission
    Other ID - +33%-44% Exploding
    +27%-42% Fire Defence
    +27%-42% Air Defence
    +32-38 Strength
    -2-8 Dexterity
    -2-8 Intelligence
    -2-8 Defence
    -2-8 Agility
    +1300/4-1800/4 Life Steal
    -250-400 Health Regeneration
    -315 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Weaponsmithing, Woodworking, Cooking, Scribing, Alchemism

    ITEM - Call of the Void
    MAJOR ID - Cherry Bomb
    Other ID - +33%-44% Exploding
    +27%-42% Fire Defence
    +27%-42% Air Defence
    -2-8 Strength
    -2-8 Dexterity
    +32-38 Intelligence
    -2-8 Defence
    -2-8 Agility
    +1300/4-1800/4 Life Steal
    -250-400 Health Regeneration
    -315 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Weaponsmithing

    ITEM - Agitated Eye
    MAJOR ID - Flashfreeze
    Other ID - -1-3 4th Spell Cost
    -19%-38% 4th Spell Cost
    +27%-42% Fire Defence
    +27%-42% Air Defence
    +16-22 Intelligence
    +2/4 Mana Steal
    -2500-4000 Health
    -28%-38% Main Attack Damage
    -13%-26% Xp
    -13%-26% Loot Bonus
    -330 Durability
    PROFESSIONS - Woodworking

    I will expand on this maybe later. This kinda took a while and I hope I covered all the current Major IDs.

    EDIT: Durability should probably be a % of the total durability otherwise low level items could be abused for their Major ID. Maybe 40%-50%
     
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    Ok, Maybe but I did make it so the Major ID items used up double the normal durability.
    Also, how do you propose that HICH players get access to these Major IDs, since they can't use mythics. (the C stands for craftsman)

    Also, the most overpowered builds will ofc be completely crafted since crafting is cracked but the trade off is the repairing needing to be done. So, I doubt and good tank builds will use many crafteds since the mobs will tear through the durability. (Maybe the divzer need to be tho...)
     
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    Androphonia SON ARE YOU THROWING THE RAID AGAIN VIP

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    you need insane -dura like -750 or smth like that to even keep it somewhat balanced so that you can't even use anything else
     
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    Maybe so,
     
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    Very simple, they don't. If you chose to play a challenge game mode then you are accepting the challenge. If you don't want to have your gameplay restricted, don't play HICH. The fun of HICH is that its more difficult, making it easier would completely defeat the purpose of it.
     
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    The goal isn't to make the game easier but more diverse. Obviously the items I mentioned would be balanced (mostly nerfed)
    Yes HICH is meant to be a challenge but challenges don't have to be less fun than the default gamemode.

    I firmly believe that the Major ID's can be balanced out so they don't become OP and make HICH easy.
     
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    Absolutely not.
     
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    perhaps some of the less impactful major ids like freerunner or flashfreeze are fine but something like saviours sacrifice and transcendence are just too impactful to put on ingredients (and if you try to balance it with -ids, they will just get flipped)
     
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    my idea is to give every single ing with a major id a -dura of about 975 but no other stats so you are pretty much forced to repair it constantly even if you put as many +dura items on the craft as you can.

    major ids would decay obviously (they would decay first, like tiers do right now)
     
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    i like this. it's simple and seems to solve the problems
    but maybe -800 or somethin
     
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    i think there should also be a way to craft set items. like using only ghost themed ingredients in an item would give it the Ghostly set bonus. would it be OP? probably. but since crafting requires a huge time commitment, i would rather it be worth it.
     
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    And the number of ghost themed items is limited so the set bonus can be modified to suit the gear
     
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    Great effort. But this needs way more massive nerfing both in what others said and the following: FLIPPING. How do you address the flipping aspect? Do you just get negative major id (wtf does that even mean lol)? Does it not just exist? And:

    Holy shit flipping this bad boy and amplifying it with major’s badge for a whopping -400+% is making me wince even for my naked HIC playthrough. 18k hp 150% spell and melee dmg while still having maybe 100 dura left? AAAAAHHHHH

    And add poll.
     
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    Explain flipping Ids please
     
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    Have you heard of Obelisk Core? It is an ingredient that gives -200% effectiveness to an ingredient to the left of itself. This is only used for flipping ingredients. Anything that is less than -100% (more negative) will have all its IDs reversed from positive to negative and vise-versa, then applied on whatever effectiveness is left over. For example, if I put what I quoted for one of your ingredients and I flip this with Obelisk Core, everything positive will be negative, and everything negative will be positive. You can go further with some recipes to make this up to -400% something, meaning everything positive will turn negative and then TRIPLED, and everything negative will turn positive and then TRIPLED.

    Flipping DOES NOT work on flipping durability/charges/duration.
     
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    well then, a lot of this is completely broken then, so ig I'll try to balance it. Do you have any ideas on how to balance ing so the can't be flipped as effectively?

    How to add a poll after it's been uploaded

    Edit: Maybe Flipping an item would flip the Major ID as well. XD That could be fun.
     
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