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Idea to buff Shaman Mythics (again)

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Tricko03, Nov 8, 2021.

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Good idea?

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  1. Tricko03

    Tricko03 FANTASIAAAA!!! CHAMPION

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    Hello, this is not the first time I go into the shaman and say that the class (especially the Mythics unbalanced are bad (except after shock, toxo and immolation)).
    Still, I have an idea to buff every Shaman Mythic (except for aftershock).

    The idea comes from the fact that Shaman doesn't have a Major ID on a Mythic. Now I have a completely new idea or an idea which I only touched on briefly.
    Why don't you give the totems major IDs, not the mythics.

    The shaman counts as support or crowd control (which can now be forgotten) so you should go in the direction of support.

    All effects apply to allied players, not to the Totem Thrower!
    Hadal should give 1 mana Regen per second for everyone in the totem radius, so you can use Hadal as a game changer. Because Mana Rain is OP!
    Fantasia: (-20%) spellcost for everyone in the totem! Fantasia serves as spell spam support.
    Olympic gives all players within a radius of +2 Jump Hight because: why not.
    Toxo has one weakness: poison canceling, why does the poison in the toxototem not dated, so Toxo does constant damage without RNG!
    Immolation has negative HPR, a lore idea would be that it sets the negative HPR to 0 and therefore has negative HPR, i.e. the HPR of the players in the totem is 0 (if they would otherwise have negative HPR).
    Absolution is a mediocre healer. You could buff him if 5% of the Totem Tick DMG comes back to the player in the totem as a heal.

    I have a different idea for Sunstar, it may be too strong, but I'll introduce it anyway!
    How about a chainlightning shot out of the totem every 5 seconds? It makes sense and would be really cool to look at.
    Thank you for reading it!

    (Google Translate)
     
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  2. cmosier

    cmosier cmosier VIP

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    free 5mr for everyone nearby, not overpowered in the slightest (insert sarcasm indicator here)
    this could only go two ways:
    a) this is useless because people optimise their spellcosts to be 1/1 or 1/2 or whatever anyways so this does nothing to them
    b) this is insanely stupidly broken because people optimise their builds to factor in ally -20% spellcost and dont have to worry about reducing their costs
    massive panic zealot trolling
    also as a certified jh hater please no
    (translation error?)
    if i understood correctly this is due to bad game mechanics anyway so pls fix that instead of making only toxo more stupid than it already is
    totem has positive heal ticks anyway though
    besides that, wouldn't this just remove immo's -hpr mechanic? why on earth would you do that? what's the point?
    almost completely useless, not worth a major id at all
    idk enough about chain lightning to know how this would end up tbh


    anyway this is not great in general because oversaturating mythics with major ids is just,,,,, not a good idea considering major ids are inherntly supposed to make or break an item, not be a flavor addition (these are flavor additions)

    also PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not overemphasise mythics when thinking about item design because most people will not be able to get them. gimmick gameplay should be able to exist without having to spend stacks of le (equal to hours and hours of time) just to experience funny major id. think about the people who do not have purple boxes :(
     
  3. Bixlo

    Bixlo Got drip like pablo HERO

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    I disagre.
    For A) I dont think its entirely useless. At best it gives u a free 1 cost spell when you would have a 2 cost, still helpful. However its not crazy strong.
    For B) cannot see how its op. To build your entire build around a SINGLE TOTEM is horrendously bad. What if you are not with the totem? Or the shaman dies? Or if your not in the totem aura? Then your trash, its just a bad idea to try and build around someone else.
    1. Mythic bad
    2. I do agree putting IDs on mythics and having them only be there is bad, however currently there are a couple IDs that arnt on mythics rn that exist. I think it would be cool if the major ID was given for the mythic, and a fabled was given after to show what it would go on for the non mythic users. (this is alot of work tho)
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    Good responce overall tho
    Time for me to give my breakdown of the OP
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    I think the issues isnt the mythics but the class itself. Its been nerfed a couple times since release, and i think its time for a buff (to dps and heal)
    ok so the above post said 5mr? if it only gives 1 extra mana regen thats not bad at all and makes hadal good again. So i see no issues.
    does this only apply with in totem range? and how long does this last? For the entire totem durration? or for just 1 spell. I dont think this effect should be stackable
    well aight
    Toxo's like that bc poison is broken rn
    remove its -hpr mechanic? why...
    Ah ok well this is a lie. Abso is thee best healing relic rn. 1k heals per second is the best we can get right now. Its entire design is healing, its actually really good
    So, cool idea how does it work? How far does the lighting reach from? whats its damage? How many targets does it hit? etc. Cool idea need more info for it

    Overall cool post, again i think its an issue with the class not the weapons but thats just me
     
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    the OP said 1 mana each second, which equals 5mr once you multiply by 5 (the amount of seconds it takes for mr to proc)
     
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  5. Tricko03

    Tricko03 FANTASIAAAA!!! CHAMPION

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    1st: yes 5/5 Mana Regen are OP maybe it could be 1/5 Mana Regen (Would be a bit useful)
    2nd: I think The Spellcost Reduction isnt broken, thats the point, its a new way to buff the shaman maybe it looks broke, but it could be cool
    3rd: Olympic is a fun weapon maybe it could improve it a bit but its just my opinion, i like Jh
    4th I mean that the Toxo Poison gets destroyed if anyone else use poison, maybe Toxo Poison nerf on 10k but with the id so Poison is Stacking. As Toxo Player i can Say that Toxo DPS are not that high Fantasia is way higher
    5th I don't think so it's maybe a new way to use Shaman as healer in the a war!
    6th It's just affect the other Players, the no support weapon Immulation is is this way a cool support but with a bad Totem heal
    7th Chain Lightnig T6 hits up to 5 Mobs I guess with high dmg on a range of 5 after hitting one Mob the Lightning Cast once more on a new enemy in 5 Block Range so you can cast up to 25 Blocks with one Lightning
    Yes but look at the other classes what can you do as a Warrior if you dont have funny purple boxes? Nothing As a Shaman you can be insanly tanky (The Watched), deal very good dmg (The End, Cryo, Overdrive) or just Spellspam (Silent Ballet)!
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    The Lightnig works like a normal chain lightning but not you cast it, the Totem is the center where the lightning is from! (Normal C Lightning Dmg etc)
     
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    Bixlo Got drip like pablo HERO

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    hmmm ok. I think I understand. my only issue is that if its normal chain lighting, your gonna be doing like 5k extra dps every 5 seconds (5k chain is what i get so idk numbers here). I would say 1/3 the normal damage of a chain lighting would be more balanced.
     
  7. Androphonia

    Androphonia SON ARE YOU THROWING THE RAID AGAIN VIP

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    these all seem either pointless (-hpr cancel when totem tick exists what) busted (1/1 mr tick and buffing toxo tick out of existence ayo)
    wouldn't really help the shaman situation either (who the heck wants to dump all their kromers on a fantasia just so they can experience funny -spell cost% for one nol run)
     
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