Game Mechanics Give Away Inventory & Bank of Permanently Banned Players

Whenever a player becomes permabanned all of his or her items in their inventory and bank becomes accessible to the public for free. There are multiple ways this could be done; the items get put on the trade market for free, in a separate community chest in a major city, in a raffle for events, as a prize for contests, etc. Go wild.

Pros: Items are no longer lost forever and can be used again by anyone. Especially mythics.

Cons: Can’t really think of anything besides someone gets permabanned accidentally. But I doubt how often that happens given it’s a video game and they only lose their items if they lose their appeal.

Edit: In cases of duping, none or almost none of the suspected items would be given away, depending on the certainty of the dupe and the value and amount of the items in question.

 

Ah yes lets take everything they worked months/years for and give it away for free to random players who did nothing to deserve them

 

The opinions of billionaires aren't valid, sorry.

If they're PERMABANNED, they aren't coming back, so everything they had is lost forever. I really do have no opinions one way or another towards it, there are actual pros and cons to it such that I can't really decide one way or another.

 

Very hard disagree from me, I’m sorry to say. This just feels like a far too cruel punishment.

 

what

 

The real question is how much of it is dupied?
How much of it are the mods are unsure is dupied?

 

I mean like Selvut said they’re not coming back, so their items have already been taken away from them forever. So this isn’t really a punishment for them anyway. It’s not like they died and gave all of their items away to their loved ones in their will.

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If duped, none then since a reason of the original ban was to keep duped items from circulation.
If the mods are unsure, then only give away low value items (no emeralds, no mythics, no runes, etc.).

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I mean their items are already lost forever to them. It sucks they got banned but those items aren’t making any one else’s experience better by sitting in a dead inventory or bank. The most valuable items in the game are predicated on extreme luck such as mythics, so idk how much you want to be throwing around the whole hard work argument in an MMO with randomized loot pools :-:

 

Yes, but:

- mods are prone to human error. What happens if a perm ban is false, and someone loses everything for nothing?
- what about bans for duping? The possibility that some of their gear is illegitimate is always a risk.
- what about bans for stuff the community finds to be questionable inclusions in the rules? Not only is that person banned, but it’s almost as if they’re being mocked by having everything taken from them.
- this could potentially expose peoples bans if someone wants to keep theirs private
- this whole thing would honestly be a huge pain for mods to deal with and solves nothing that other ingame raffles would

 

That’s why this won’t be triggered until after the appeal to the permaban is rejected. At that point it’s extremely likely that they deserved the permaban. Otherwise then we shouldn’t permaban anyone at all because there will always be a chance, no matter how minuscule, that they are actually innocent. Plus permabans are inherently more serious and rarer than regular bans.

For duping then either none or only a partial amount of the items depending on what they are and how certain the items are duped, erring on the side of caution. Ex: If a player has 3 bank pages full of stacks of LE, then it’s probably a dupe and the mod can decide to either take none of the le or only a stack.

I’m not quite sure if you’re referring to a specific rule that the community finds questionable or it’s just a hypothetical. Either way, the rules are the rules and whether or not they should be a rule is beyond the scope of this thread. But personally I’ve never seen any rules you could get permabanned being controversial like duping, and whenever there were banning accidents like during that one weekend in 2017, they were resolved relatively quickly.

How? It’s only the players bank and inventory and any duped items wouldn’t be included. Plus you wouldn’t know which items came from their players like in a raffle.

The main uniqueness is that items aren’t lost forever anymore and no items need to be created in order to supply a raffle. This will be especially helpful for people who are looking for mythics.

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Wait does Wynncraft do temp bans or no? @WithTheFish

 

No. Just the premise alone of potentially giving out duped or private items completely ruins any good that could come from this. Not to mention someone’s bank stash should be kept private anyway, and if bans do get appealed (which yes, can happen in special cases even after the first appeal is denied), the banned person no longer has a bank :/. I also don’t wanna give the mods that kind of power especially since some of them would definitely abuse it. Seriously this suggestion sounds like something from Squid Game.

As for the tempban question, yes Wynn does do temp and because I got tempbanned for a month when I changed my name to EpicSex2 lol.

 

haven't people been pardoned from permabans in the past? also there's a whole lot of "temp bans" like exploit abuse that are basically permabans except technically not. even ignoring all the problems with giving away inventories of banned players, it's not trivial to draw the line between which banned players to do this with and which players to leave alone.

 

This is like the Wynn equivalent of the death penalty, perm bans are always reversible so no matter how damming the evidence, this really isn't a good idea because once you cross that line, there's no going back.

Also, it's not like items being lost forever would suddenly be fixed by this, perm bans, especially for players who are actually rich or have items of any real value are relatively rare. The overwhelming majority of lost items are from players quitting the game which this doesn't really fix at all.

Also also, there have been problems with moderation in the past, especially with mods abusing their power for personal reasons, this wouldn't help with that at all.

 

The only way I think would be somewhat reasonable to include this is if:
1 - A long period of time has passed since the ban and the appeal(s) has/have been rejected

2 - The staff team contacts the banned user for permission to do this

3 - Only a handful of chosen items were given away

4 - The items were given to players at random instead of thrown on the market for free (to prevent market stalkers from getting all of it)

 

We already have loans and rentals in Wynncraft so why not crank up the capitalist metaphor up a notch? /s

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Wait was that one accidental ban wave with the dungeon xp glitch back in 2017 involve permabans or temp bans?

 

Yeah no, giving them away just screws with everyone. Now you have people camping these chests, possibly bots. A person that was banned for another reason might have had duped items, but just hasn't been caught by that yet.

And imagine if this gets added. Want to launder money as a group? Look no further.
Step 1: get some cheap alts, these accs will be banned soon anyway, get alot of playtime by afking for a month, go farm some mobkills ig on mt wynn and open chests for stats, get to lvl 90+.
Step 2: dupe tiny amounts, or transfer duped items from another account not unbelievable amounts or theyll check deeply into it.
Step 3: get banned for unrelated reasons [glitching through map, irl trading [report yourself on another account/ask a friend], fly hacking at detlas, whatever you choose]
step 4: wait for verification, meanwhile farm playtime on multiple alts, pretend like theyre actual active people

There is absolutely no reason to implement this, as it is easily abusable, while the beneficiaries will most likely already be rich people / market campers who are typically online longer than the average player and can recognize which items have value asap to snipe them, or bots.

 

we could present the choice of giving away items to the player in question. some people who are permabanned might not intend to play the game again, and would be happy to do a farewell giveaway (similar to unbanned players who have quit in the past). on the other hand, it's clear that falseban cases and players wanting to appeal would not consent to losing all of their possessions.

this would resolve some problems raised in this thread, but notably not sayori's points above. i thought i'd add this anyway just for extra discussion.

 

Can't wait for someone who duped a billion stacks of LE to get perma'd so we can distribute it!

 

Not to come across as rude, but I'm baffled at what I just read. Generally I try to be considerate, but this has got to be the most senseless suggestion I think I have ever read on any forums of any kind.
There are so many complications with this for various reasons that I will not get into, not even in regards to duping cases and anything of the sort (I can already list several in my head).
The amount of work this would be for the moderation team and the amount more effort it would create for the moderation team is insane. It's just unrealistic.

On top of that, like said in the first comment, why do people who have not worked to get these items themselves deserve them at all? It just does not make sense. If I end my subscription to a game or stop playing it or get blacklisted from it, my data, scores, items, currency, whatever it may be, is never transferred to another account under any circumstance. There's a reason no game in existence does this. I don't understand how anyone sees even a single "pro" with this idea whatsoever. Maybe I'm being a bit closed minded, but I think not in this situation

Adding in: Free handouts make any game infinitely less enjoyable, in my own personal opinion. When you have to work for what you obtain, it feels so much better in the end. This goes for life too. Sure does not having LE or mythics feel pretty bad, yeah a little bit. But like, having a sense of accomplishment is a feeling that is irreplaceable.

 

pretty much everything that i could say has been said by what i am very glad to see be the whole community. i’m not gonna bother going further into why this is a bad idea.

the closest possible thing i think you could get is to allow “wills” to players in certain cases, letting the banned player give away some of their belongings before being banned permanently or have mods distribute the specified items to the players they were told to. even then, it’s still not a great system and i could still see some issues, but it’s leagues better than suggesting the playerbase randomly benefit from someone’s downfall.