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Any Class Atlas Inc Build Aid

Discussion in 'Class Builds' started by Madkurre, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. reithal_yeet

    reithal_yeet I make builds, both good and bad

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    Is life steal or health regen better for heavy mele
     
  2. Ayase Momo

    Ayase Momo dandadan CHAMPION

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    lifesteal is alot better
    you got super slow atk speed which helps you trigger it easier
    and since it is a melee build, well, you will be using your melee lol
     
  3. creature

    creature Uncorrupt, so possibly serving Dern VIP

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    Life steal procs once every 4 seconds on average, if you hit a single enemy non-stop.
    Health regen procs once every 4 seconds regardless of anything.

    Life steal proccing once every 4 seconds is an average and even when hitting a single enemy non-stop you can easily come in the situation where it doesn't proc for over 10 seconds.
    The only time where life steal is better than health regen (assuming the amount of life steal/health regen is equal) is when you are hitting several enemies at once with your melee attack.

    Also, when you're at low HP and need the healing the most, getting out of their and heal via health regen is alot safer than via life steal at melee range.

    Having said that. life steal is easier to get higher numbers for than health regen and a fair few bosses do spawn minions making hitting several enemies at once a more likely occurence than you might think. They're both pretty good for heavy melee.
     
  4. reithal_yeet

    reithal_yeet I make builds, both good and bad

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    Ok guess i will be using life steal then
     
  5. hppeng

    hppeng 0 intel is the correct amount of intel HERO

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    VireVeonix Well-Known Adventurer CHAMPION

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  7. Ayase Momo

    Ayase Momo dandadan CHAMPION

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    WynnBuilder build:
    > Cumulonimbus
    > Medeis
    > Adrenaline
    > Dragon Dance
    > Intensity
    > Yang
    > Diamond Hydro Bracelet
    > Tenuto
    > Nepta Floodbringer [w6w6]
     
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  8. Ear Infection

    Ear Infection Back Again HERO

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  9. GoDed

    GoDed Skilled Adventurer CHAMPION

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    Class: Warrior / lvl 103
    Playstyle: I like spamming the Bash Spell and let spells do most of the work.
    Restrictions: Haven't completed '???' and 'The Qira Hive' but both can easily be completed if need be. I have about 2 stacks of LE to my name.
    Preferences: Preferably a fast-ish weapon, definitely not NEEDED though. If a slower weapon works better with a certain build I'd be happy to use a slower one. No element preferences.
     
  10. hppeng

    hppeng 0 intel is the correct amount of intel HERO

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    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#5_06+0K70tV0Aw0050050K40UB0Qh070R141z121g00001006CO
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Bottled Sky
    > Soulflare
    > Conspirator's Trickpockets
    > Curador Boots
    > Summa
    > Summa
    > Prowess
    > Renda Langit
    > Inferno [f6f6f6]

    a... rather pathetic attempt was made

    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#5_0690F+0tV0Qt0nS0qo0K40UB0Qh160q141z161g00001006CO
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Blue Mask
    > Far Cosmos
    > Conspirator's Trickpockets
    > Revenant
    > Stratus
    > Unspeakable
    > Prowess
    > Renda Langit
    > Inferno [f6f6f6]

    super cursed rainbow slap inferno with not enough mana sustain and nonexistent health sustain

    I'll keep trying...

    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#5_0690K70tV0Qt0nS0Xr0K40OH0Qh160S1V1z161g00001006CO
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Blue Mask
    > Soulflare
    > Conspirator's Trickpockets
    > Revenant
    > Stratus
    > Prism
    > Prowess
    > Diamond Fusion Necklace
    > Inferno [f6f6f6]

    probably the best of the three


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    https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#5_0k40px0Ek0K509q09q0TN0OM0Lc0x001u1Y001g00001006CO
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Sano's Care
    > Time Rift
    > Earth Breaker
    > Silt of the Seafloor
    > Black Catalyst
    > Black Catalyst
    > Dragon's Eye Bracelet
    > Diamond Hydro Necklace
    > Ignition [f6f6f6]

    you want a slower attack speed on builds using life steal or mana steal, because slower attack speeds have a much higher chance of activating lifesteal/mana steal on a melee hit, as well as requiring less clicks - with this build you will ideally be spending all almost all of your time casting uppercut and bash in quick succession, with occasional melee hits.

    of note: you should cycle spells (uppercut-bash-uppercut-bash-melee-repeat); casting the same spell multiple times in a row makes the spellcost go up so spellcycling is very important yes

    the damage on paper is low, but the real power of this build comes with time rift and courage recasts -- using the powder special gives you a 50% overall damage boost and time rift has a chance to double-cast your powder specials (as well as your spell and melee hits! allowing you to charge powder special even faster); in ideal scenarios this build will be spamming ~20k uppercut while facetanking most enemies

    also it has a boatload of lifesteal so thats cool

    the build is also quite far off meta so most of the items should be relatively cheap to get
     
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  11. touhoku

    touhoku heavy spell pioneer Item Team CHAMPION

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    WynnBuilder build:
    > Pisces
    > Azurite
    > Elder Oak Roots
    > Crater Print
    > Moon Pool Circlet
    > Photon
    > Dragon's Eye Bracelet
    > Amanuensis
    > Black Amaranth [e6e6e6]

    Not the hardest-hitting build, but favors bash spell (combined with uppercut) and has some decent tank and sustain.
    Requires completion of Earth and Water hive divisions, but not the Qira boss fight.
     
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  12. CoolDoodShooz

    CoolDoodShooz Travelled Adventurer

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    Class: Assassin
    Everything else summed up: Non-heavy melee and non-rainbow. I want to solo Qira and LI
     
  13. Iboju

    Iboju absolute swag male CHAMPION

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    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#5_0K80RZ0Jh0I60TQ0K202d0og05n0P101f0z031g000010036C
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Sparkling Visor
    > Medeis
    > Cinderchain
    > Frenzied Mockery
    > Draoi Fair
    > Moon Pool Circlet
    > Atlas
    > Tenuto
    > Black [t6t6t6]

    Non-master hive/LI black


    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#5_0K80RZ0LA0I60TQ0K202d0og05n0P0t1f0-001g000010036C
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Sparkling Visor
    > Medeis
    > Flummox
    > Frenzied Mockery
    > Draoi Fair
    > Moon Pool Circlet
    > Atlas
    > Tenuto
    > Black [t6t6t6]

    More sustain if you wanna be more comfortable

    I don't wanna link any the exploited builds since i'm gonna assume you haven't done EO either


    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#5_0K80RZ0LA0I60TQ0K00OJ0og05n0P0t1h0-041g000010036C
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Sparkling Visor
    > Medeis
    > Flummox
    > Frenzied Mockery
    > Draoi Fair
    > Intensity
    > Diamond Hydro Bracelet
    > Tenuto
    > Black [t6t6t6]

    Black build after you've done LI and Qira


    EDIT: The build is spellsteal black btw, this means that its a spellspam build but with your mana sustain coming from mana steal, meaning you need to melee every 2 seconds to get mana.

    Spellsteal is better than mana regen on assassin because mana regen doesn't tick in vanish, and of course you're going to spend a lot of your time in combat in vanish, which in practice really slows you down if you have mr assassin. In contrast, you can always just melee when coming out of vanish to do a spell combo, thus getting mana.

    Super-slow is the preferred attack speed with spellsteal as you'll get the most consistent steals that way.
     
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  14. reithal_yeet

    reithal_yeet I make builds, both good and bad

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    touhoku heavy spell pioneer Item Team CHAMPION

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    This is a super restrictive request and I don't think there is necessarily a "good" solution here. This one is tomeable but has horrible mana (just don't melee and use mr food or something idk)
    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#5_0690px0uF0tv09q09q0K40OM0Qw0K2M1u0t0K1g0000101Z6C
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Blue Mask
    > Time Rift
    > Infernal Impulse
    > Pro Tempore
    > Black Catalyst
    > Black Catalyst
    > Prowess
    > Diamond Hydro Necklace
    > Thrundacrack [t6t6t6t6]
     
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  16. hppeng

    hppeng 0 intel is the correct amount of intel HERO

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    WynnBuilder build:
    > Blue Mask
    > Time Rift
    > Infernal Impulse
    > Resurgence
    > Draoi Fair
    > Summa
    > Prowess
    > Diamond Fusion Necklace
    > Thrundacrack [w6w6t6t6]
    mmmm subpar spellcost...

    finesse instead of summa makes this usable without guild tomes
     
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  17. 182 others

    182 others Well-Known Adventurer VIP

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    Pro Tempore with Cinderchain gets more damage by a bit and not sure if it can sustain (probably can because you got chain lightning) in terms of mana and life sustain but I think it can sustain in both.
     
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  18. Iboju

    Iboju absolute swag male CHAMPION

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    I didn’t wanna recommend it because Pro tempore isn’t necessarily super noob friendly with how hard its either to roll OR how expensive it is to buy, but you have a fair point.
     
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  19. Castti

    Castti Kookie HERO

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    Class: mage
    Playstyle: ETWFA spell spam
    Restrictions: Must make me try something like this. Must have low HP and MR but make me remember how little a 1/1 cycle costs and of the existence of EHP
    Preferences: Nepta
     
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  20. one_ood

    one_ood c lown VIP

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    Try something like this
    https://wynndata.tk/s/8ju4or
    Now, at first you may think this has really low hp and mana regen, which is true, but you’ve got to remember the existence of EHP. (ehp stands for effective hitpoints, basically hp after calculating in defense and agi)
    As for the mana regen in the build i posted it is more than enough for a 1-1 spell combo. Mages overall spellspam is significantly lower than for example assassins and archers and you should never underestimate how little mana a 1/1 combo drains.

    Oh, it also has 5k more meteor damage. (why did you initially add fire powders tothe nepta?)
     
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