World Life Steal Mini Rework

how do you propose ls gets changed?

 

It might not be ideal, but I always thought it was dumb that life steal didnt proc on every hit and this was my way of trying to make it so it could proc each hit while still being balanced

 

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Bump10char

 

+1, RNG-based life steal is awful. what are your thoughts on ls/ms being like powder specials in that after a specific # of attacks, lifesteal procs

 

I think that could work, but personally I just always found it really stupid that life steal doesn't proc on each hit, it makes absolutely no sense, while this idea is definitely better than the current system I just think it would be better if life steal was guaranteed to proc, the current RNG system is just really dumb I agree

 

i agree, maybe powder special solution cld be for mana steal where the values are super small

 

idk what to do about mana tbh, I think it should somehow work off of your attack speed, or be on like a 4 second cooldown, someone recommended the cooldown idea for life steal and I really didn't like that, although it's better than what we have currently, I think it would be good for mana steal ONLY because the values are so small

 

bump haise thread

 

bump10char

 

I think .75 multiplier is quite overpowered. This will make life steal so much more broken in melee builds and will greatly overpower hpr since hpr is every 4 seconds, whereas you can life steal every hit.
using the 1000 life steal on super slow weapon example, you will need 2000 hpr to reach the life steal health sustain. Since you attack 2 times in 4 seconds (0.51 attack per second), it means that life steal is essentially twice as effective than hpr and that's something I feel like should be addressed.
So yeah, you edit would make a lot more sense, but imo there should be another multiplier of .5 on top of the .75

 

melee builds already take so much more damage than spell builds because you have zero range (unless melee mage but you just don't need ls for that) and unless you want to use greed and sacrifice 1-2 slots, lifesteal is shit

 

if im taking a guess, its randomized so that spells that hit multiple times are not op... so it might need to be a more complicated fix

 

spells don't proc life steal.

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I don't think health regen and life steal should be equal, I think just with mana steal and mana regen one you get passively and one you get actively, I think if you're actively getting your own mana/health you should get a greater reward, the reason I used 1000 in my example was because it's a nice, round number and most builds most likely won't have 1000 unless you're using gaping cavity which will either make you glassy or severely hurt your damage trying to make up for having an armor slot without HP

 

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It makes sense that lifesteal would be better than health regen unless you build for pure health regen or something crazy like that because you have to actually hit things and put yourself in the line of fire for enemies whereas health regen is always active.

 

bump haise thread because good

 

Honestly, I think mana steal is fine as it is, this is coming from a high level mana steal mage that knows what he is doing, but the thing with the life steal... I have an assasin and there I heavily rely on life steal and when I get really unlucky the 2k life steal I have are useless. But I think the idea you have has atleast one big issue: This change will probably throw over board any balancing in life steal, hp regen and tankiness in general. It would be a huge pile of work to balance all the items again and because of the items get changed, many new builds will establish, but many will be forgotten. Remember back in the days apocalypse chad builds? No? You know why you dont remember it? Cause it was THE best weapon because of life steal, until they made a slight change to life steal and after that, the build and the weapon was pretty much garbage.

I support change, but I dont think mana steal needs it and I honestly dont want another huge meta change just because you want life steal to work properly. (keep in mind I am a mage player, I might not see the problem as big as you).

I dont say dong change it, but right now, other things like, spell system overhaul, skill tree, more diversity in playstyles, poison fix, other crucial bugs that ruin complete build ideas and many more things should come first, before we launch this huge deal with life steal.

No matter how life steal gets changed or tweeked, it will cause alot of rebalancing work, and all this work just for one stat out of so many is right now, not worth it.

Im open minded about anything so feel free to comment about my response, just wanted to give some other perspective :)

Happy Wynncrafting

 

The thing is, this IS a diversity of playstyles thing because it makes melee builds viable and able to sustain without greed/pots

 

Yes, but is a change to life steal really better than a change to melee in general? The wynncraft team doesnt have unlimited resources, and should rather work on other content first in my opion.

I know melee builds suck, but is this the needed change?

 

I don't think this is a difficult change to make; one that doesn't require the few resources of the wynn team...
I think this is one of many changes needed to the game