Idea: Extension To Dern Questline. [spoiler To Some Of Dern Series Currently]

Simplified explination that makes runes related to dern. 1: runes and a hunters calling which is a dernic quest both do simalr things where darkness won 2:Bakal leader of corruption is seen in dern talking to some powerful dernic dude and in that meeting the eye boss is created and bakal puts the eye on eltrich outlook and the eye stops intruders form coming to dern also WHY DO THINK I MADE THE RUNEMASTERS PROTECTORS OF RUNES TO STOP THEM FROM SHATTERING AND RELEASING THEIR DARK POWER THAT MAKES THEM ACSESS CORUPTED DUNGEONS

 

Bak'al is corrupted who serves Dern Beast. He is not Dark. Those are 2 different things

 

also corkus is related to fruma because frumians were the ones who discovered corkus

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yes if bakal is corrupted and serves the DERN beast then corruption is a dern thing.

 

No one said runes are Dark, please provide solid proof before saying that

 

Everything thats isnt explained in the first quest i sugest will be explained in the second quest

 

No. Bak'al is insividual creature, meaning he can be scared or forced to do things. You are a human. Others can enslave you. Does it mean the humanity serves them? no

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Then you should make it quickly. So far it seems like a good mess

 

waht do you think ive been doing

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What i mean by being corrupted is by being the leader of corruption

 

Not providing proof apparently

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He is not leader of the Corruption, it cannot have one. He is just smart and powerful corrupted

 

Just, let me change the tcc thing and change the dialouge a bit to make half the things you say a reality

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One of the discoveries says that bakal is leader of corruption (Wynn Plains)

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it also says bakal is a corrupted being

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Bakal serves dern beast meaning bakal and corruption are creations of dernic power. both corruption and dernic power can make things agressive as seen in the zombies the fact that the nether is a pvp zone and lutho citizens when exposed to toxic stuff which is dernic makes them hostile/neutral

 

Due to the nature of the Corruption, he cannot be the leader, the Beast.

More of unfortunate wording rather than proof. Also this lore is super old (still valid though)

 

Dern darkness and bakals corruption do simalr things just the same way as runes and a hunters calling do theyre both things that do somalar things

 

This is false.

Corruption is created when Light and Dark clash, meaning it is neutral. It has no mind, it doesn't serve anyone. Only individuals do

Also false

Darkness, Corruption and Runes are 3 dofferent things

Darkness is a force of influence, opposite to the side
Corruption is a force of influence, neutral, comparable to nuclear fallout after a war
Runes are type of magic

 

Runes take you to a place where corruption won a hunters calling makes you fight for the bad side and make darkness win Bakal Corruption makes things hostile and dernic darkness makes things hostile as well

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so runes must have a relation to corruption allowing acses to corrupted dungeons and corruption works in a simalar way to dernic darkness and bakal is dernic beasts servant bakals job is to corrupt and spread fear of the dernic beast meaning corruption is a creation of dern at the end of ROL 5 bakal comes out of the same style protal as the bug thing started the se and decay in the first place and i can proove se and decay are related because there is only one realm of darkness on the realm chart earlier in rol series where it shows ho the decay came to place the gfkhdfkjghdk thing the realm of darkness goes over is probably se and not dern because its in the same realm as wynn and gavel also se has portal to dern

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Bakal came to the rol trying to stop lari who was cosen by the embodiment of light so corruption bakal wants dern to win
as it says nether is battleground between dark and light

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NOW do you understand my point

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ok here bakal may not be leader of corruption but he is a corrupted being and leads the army of the corrupted and serves the DERN beast

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Well when you gte back im just saying i made this quest to add more storyline to dern

 

So far what this looks like to me is a TotL for the endgame.

You first have to speak to the Az master, then go nearly halfway across Gavel to The Canyon Colossus, then get a Golden Avia Feather, which are tedious to get, then you have to defeat a boss, which appears to not be that challenging at Lv 99, then its over. There is no mention of Dern until the final piece of dialogue.

I do not think this would be very viable for an intro to Dern.

 

I think your statement here has little logic. "Because runes give access to corrupted dungeons, they must have relations to Corruption". It is a known fact that runic magic can tear holes in reality. Runes don't have to be corruption magic or something in order to give access to corrupted dungeons. The key is not the destination.

What similarities are there? Taking over land, making things hostile... ? Yes, those are some similarities, but there are still definently not enough stuff to prove the point below VVV. Also, Darkness's "hostility" and "way of destroying stuff etc." differs from the Corruption. The Corruption doesn't have a purpose or reason. It just does. It's an unstoppable nuclear fallout that will literally destroy everything in its way. The Darkness, on the other hand, has reason. I'm going by what was said in pre-1.20 Taproot, but to simplify it, Light's goal is to perserve, to stay. Darkness's goal is to end. Not necessarily a bad ending, just an end. The AHC guy supports this theory. "To what end?". Black Sans or whatever offers you different ends.

i honestly have no idea how you got to this conclusion. did you like, ever, do WynnExcavation Site D? This is straight up impossible, Corruption is the creation of Light and Dark clashing.

Well, maybe that'll be solved in your second quest. I'll be waiting for that, then.

 

also, while this is a small detail, Ek is indeed mentioned in the item lore of the weapon "Az" https://www.wynndata.tk/i/az

 

I'm holding off on any major rants for now, but I would like to add that there is an Ek rune in one of the Llevigar plains discoveries. I believe it is Spider Ruins, where it is on one of the walls.

 

I can see that a lot of people already responded to this, but I’ll give my own two cents:
1. The Corruption doesn’t serve, nor was it created by, Dern. As WynnExcavation Site D says, the Corruption is created when Light and Darkness clash. Therefore, it cannot serve one or the other. The Corruption would damage the Darkness as much as it would damage the Light. Your point about “the Darkness is hostile, the Corruption is as well” is flimsy because of the very nature of the War of the Realms. Light and Darkness are like yin and yang, they oppose eachother. They hardly care about humans or human morals or the people they kill in their conflict, their purpose is to fight eachother. The Darkness just so happens to be on the offensive, and the Light on the defensive (as the Dern Beast says in the Light Forest ultimate discovery, “The scales have been tipped [in favor of the Darkness]”). If the scales of the war were tipped in the Light’s favour, it would be the Light that’s hostile, not the Darkness. So their positions can often change. The Corruption, however, is ALWAYS hostile. It doesn’t even care about the War of the Realms. As Garoth says, it just does, consuming everything in its path, a mindless force (see how it can’t be controlled by the Darkness if it’s mindless and hostile?)
2. Bak’al doesn’t control the Corruption, he’s not the leader of it, and he’s not Dark. As far as I know, Bak’al is only referred to as the leader of the corrupt, not the Corruption, which is a big difference (Also, how would the humans know if the Corruption is being led by someone, which it isn’t but I digress, when they barely know anything about the Corruption? Their statements are barely trustworthy in that case so if anything says, in game, that Bak’al leads the entire Corruption, you can dismiss it as it was probably written by people who have no idea how the Corruption functions). Bak’al was a normal human who one day walked into the Nether Portal and came out a Corrupted. He decided to serve Dern on his own (or maybe he was forced to, we don’t know), so he’s just a servant of Dern, BUT he doesn’t represent the Corruption. Bak’al is just a guy who got corrupted. He has corruption magic, sure, which lets him create corruption spikes and raise the undead, but that’s it. About the portal created in the RoL that let Bak’al into the realm, I doubt it was made by him. It was likely made by either the Parasite, or by someone on the other side (Dern). If Theorick, who’s corrupted, suddenly decided to serve Dern, would you think that the Corruption serves Dern?
3. Rune Magic is not related to the Corruption or the Darkness. The Corrupted Dungeons were yes created from rune magic, however, it doesn’t mean that the magic itself is associated with Corruption. The Corrupted Dungeons are glimpses into alternative futures (or perhaps even THE future) where the Corruption took over Wynn. However it doesn’t mean runes are connected to Corruption. If i used rune magic to show you a future where my grandma bakes a cake, would it mean that my grandma is connected to rune magic? No. It only means that rune magic is capable of bending time and space to even create these Corrupted Dungeons. Now, you say that rune magic might be related to Darkness because Black Sans (portal dude) does the same thing as rune magic: show you an alternate timeline where the Darkness and Bak’al are victorious. However, it is not said anywhere that only Rune Guardians can show people alternate timelines. Black Sans is certainly not a rune guardian, and it might be possible that dark magic can show timelines similar to rune magic but the two aren’t connected. They just have the same capability. If, for example, fire magic was able to create fire tornadoes, and water magic was able to create water tornadoes, does that make the two related? No. It’s just a coincidence. Thus, dark magic and rune magic are not connected, as there’s no proof they are and them having the same capability is just a coincidence.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk

 

Yes, but that is only Bak'al, NOT Corruption. Mind tge difference.

Used to be, now it is overrun by the Corruption.
Also this point does not matter in this conversation.
(Also I fixed the wording to be "The Nether used to be the battleground of Dern and RoL...")

Not a little. So far your arguments were nonsensical and you do not seem to be listening to my arguments, but rather to repeat one thing.

And...?
That doesn't mean the Corruption serves it.

And so far you did not do this. All I have seen so far was some (imo not so good) rune stuff.

Ok, you got a point

(didn't read your reply yet Matteo)

 

This is practically impossible to pull off. The scope of things you have to assume to even start adding this anywhere is huge. The only mention ever of the runes having anything to do with Dern is the Olm using them in the Silent Expanse but even that is reaching far beyond what is known and definite, because Dern came to SE after the Olm have already been using runes. I read through the replies and you seem to have gotten the Runes=Dern assumption from Hunter's Calling, but it has nothing to do with Runes. The Forgery's alternate timelines are possible because of Runic time magic, while Hunter's Calling has nothing to do with Runes, and its alternate timelines are time magic in its raw form. Don't want to sound rude or anything but this just doesn't hold up and you need to read up a lot on the lore to make this make sense