Game Design I'm Copying Nova.

Nova beat me to the punch, I was mulling over my fourth attempt at the boss fight with Charon (As in the SAME RUN) because the bone drop rates are fuc-

Playing this update out has had it's up and downs and I wanted to share my feedback and see if anyone agrees or disagrees. Now I made this thread because Nova covered some good, over-arching points and did a good spread of good and bad. I however I am a ever negative person, so I'm going to hammer more what I dislike and we'll go from there.

Pets​

What do I have to say about pets?

They are so pay to win it hurts my eyes. Literally brings tears to my eyes. You want them to do higher damage than a lvl 20 enemy? WELL, too bad. Unless you give wynncraft a 180$ bucks. Then they can soar past lvl 20 and climb up to lvl 80+ Woot! Not only that, if you shell out like I did, they can take things to the bank for you, repair your crafteds, sell items and scrap them!

Don't believe me?

Spoiler

Seems pretty pay to win to me.
But Pope, they have coooooooooooldoooooooooowns

Yeah, uh huh. Yes. Not really a reason, a really POOR reason just like everyone who bought the rank snaps

Oh and another cool part donators can have three melee monsters at once. Don't even get me started on their prices. You shell out 180 bucks and then bam, all the pets are like 5-10 bucks... Not bad actually. Sucks for all you nerds who bought the Flame Dragon at 35 bucks! Could have just bought bombs and waited and got it cheaper.

I understand that wynncraft needs funds as a whole to keep itself up and updating, but come the fuck on. This is ridiculous. I say this because I don't want wynncraft to be some of the other large servers that are in it to take your money and don't really care how we feel or what we love about it, but only the cash they can produce.

Shops​

Idea is pretty cool. I'm not gonna lie. I think it's still a scummy thing to tack onto Champion just to get more sales. Funny how the market is still down too, but sometimes the player shops work. My biggest thing is why were these only given to champions as another p2w option?

I mean come on, people buy SHOUTS for crying out loud and use them like candy. I swear something is in the water that makes people buy shouts.

But you could just make a 'shopping' mall inside the old airbase or deltas or Llegivar. And then 'travelling' spots for Champions. I mean seriously, not to beat the dead horse here but what is with all this p2w bullshit. You want your stuff to get looked at for the TM, get champion and get lucky with spots at the forgery or elsewhere.

Quests​

This keeps flipping between nightmare and day dream. And this swings back to the core of all that's holy. Releasing finished works, not half finished maybes. So many games can die from this. I mean literally less than a few months ago Cyperpunk was excepted to be this EIGHT YEAR masterpiece! Almost everyone I knew was pumped for it. But then guess what? It was unpolished, broken, buggy, unbalanced, unmaintained piece of hot flaming trash. So what happened? It died.

I bring this up while I like some of the content and lore of the Quest. I REALLY hate how angry the questbook can become where it either:

• Doesn't update ever.
• Doesn't even show your active running quest
• The werid quest marker appears but flicks around like a cowboy riding a bull after four beers

Ontop of that, sometimes quest givers or important NPC's, you know the guys you need to speak with to continue the quest don't glow at all. They don't have the green particles, you just have to guess work until you stumble on them. I like how the work feels more lived in and not just an RPG, but PLEASE just mark them so I know to right click them and listen to them.

Honestly only figured out how to get my passport for the airbase because I remembered the guy's name. If I hadn't I would have just been locked out of half the airbase. Without cheesing, because we are dairy free in this house youngman

I guess, really I like the new form on quest but it can be changed and made less buggy. I understand that with Wynncraft being in Minecraft it can make some things hard, but I'd like to hope somethings could be uplifted.

Addition: Please make it when characters speak text over their heads it also goes into the actual chat. Like I get confused at times and the Hero of Gavel quest I couldn't save the boy! was a nightmare due to this. I'd get turn'd around or lost and couldn't flip back to my chat to read what I needed to do next. More so with the airbase quest when heading to the bar. I 100% forgot that part because I wasn't watching the father and the child go up the steps.

Raids​

Right, I have experienced no raids, but from what I see in chat, suggestions, feedback. They kinda suck. A max lvl cap on party members? Come on. A certain number of players? Come on.

Neither of things should exist. Raids SHOULD be hard content, end game or team based for midgame. But if I want to walk my lvl'd bee-hind into the Grook raid just so I can unlock that stupid tome, then I should be allowed too.

Let's be real, and going back to the end of the quest point. WE are trapped in minecraft currently. Which does mean there is only so much content and activities we can truly do. So why bar them so hard. I'm super confused on that. I also don't know where to start the raid, help.

Housing?
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Well now I'm following the title at least, stealing straight form the source.

Also for Guilds because I'm fairly smooth brain and don't want to talk Imp and Kingdom Politics right now.

Boss Timers
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Just why? WHY do we need boss timers? Seriously, the only class that really get's punished here are tank based knight and support mage. You literally tell them. "YOU NEED FRIENDS BECAUSE YOUR DAMAGE LOW, otherwise you'll be struck in an eternal loop until you /kill ! Sorry you wasted your keys? lol lool lmao"

I almost had this with corrupted Charon because the bone rate was lowered because the unkillable UNTIL you get the bones boss was "too easy" Fight got restarted like four times and you know how I did it? I THREW MY BONES ON THE GROUND and then opened the door to start my next run. I got ONE BONE each time. Each 5-10 minutes. If this is the new idea of "fun boss fights" count me out.


tl;dr

1.20 not bad, but has a some large shoes for improvement

 

Pet's damage stop increasing after lv.20

If you have 3 pets out each does 1/3 damage.

 

i agree with everything you have said here.

 

Only pet tasks are p2w

(and petting makes me mad)

 

Oh? So balanced p2w... That's better how? Lol

 

So it isn't that p2w?

Still much better?

 

It's a joke Trapincho, sarcasm because there isn't many cases where p2w is good for keeping a strong playerbase as a f2p game

 

?? how is losing a mythic related to this being 'p2w'

 

The reason shops are partially up is because they dont have a dupe glitch and even then I dont see too much of an issue with shops besides those inside the forgery.

 

Was more using that as an example that people use shouts... considering it's directly under it. Wasn't trying to confuse anyone

edit: also just thought it was kinda sad for that guy

 

People have already mentioned that pet damage caps before the Champion levels. However, the Champion levels unlock pet tasks, which are arguably the most p2w feature in the game.

 

Didn't know that, since it was brought it(the idea of p2w pet spam) probably was quite clear. But thanks for the correction.

 

I didn't know these existed. Are they new?

I might have never had this problem before because the bosses were killed very quickly, but that's my personal experience. If they do exist, I can see why they're needed, but they should be, at minimum, 10 minutes.

 

I'm gonna be blunt here: I agree with a good amount of the actual feedback in it, but this is pretty much a rant with better formatting. A full third of your thread's sections are focused on taking other people's feedback and then acting angry about it, and the random caps lock isn't helping the points you do make. Neither is the straw manning of counter-arguments, the exaggeration, or the lack of research in some topics. For example, do the raids before you comment on them. Parroting other people's feedback isn't helpful, especially when it's as vague as "other people say they suck".

 

Fair, doesn't make the arguments hold any less water, but that's fine. Wasn't really trying to write an essay

Incorrect actually. Most of the thread, just not housing, is stuff I've actively experienced. Raids and housing being the two subjects I haven't, but that will probably soon change. I guess complaining about p2w and then throwing a jokeish possible response counts as a strawman? Not really sure tbh, but I'll take it.

All of my "lack of research" comes from in game experience. While I have gently touched at least every class once, I've spent the pass couple of days on my mage and either mobs are 1 shot or their health is so high noting any difference between their damage is hard. If it be 1 or 3 pets. But as it was cleared up, they do the same since having three pets does 1/3 the damage.

Ok, with my lvl 102 mage and my poor sized friend pool of wynncraft players. I will more than likely not experienced the first raid until they either: Lower min player amount, increase max party level or I lvl one of the other classes all the way up. Which I really don't want to do.

Edit: Also my complaint is getting in the raids, not about the raids themselves. So yes, I have experienced this content ;)

I already said I haven't been able to do it because of these things. I'm basically bar'd unless I find three random lvl 50-60's who just finished the quest or I guess just level? lol

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Well with CC's health pool and regen you need the General and I just wasn't getting bones lol Drop rates get hit ig

 

You know, I'm kinda happy that I'm so far behind in Levels - maybe by the time I catch up to you guys, the bad parts of this update will be gone!
...Also, the mention of a Minimum Player Count on Raids is giving me HSB Dungeon flashbacks. I'm fine, don't worry!

Anyways, how are the Pets? I actually have a 'Chocolate' Wybel from my First-Ever Free Monthly Crate, and I'm wondering if this whole leveling thing is a Hero exclusive feature.

 

Wow, covid made my skills really rust... I should start training again

Not champion levels, champion rank.

 

I figured it was the same thing since you need the 21+ levels, right?

 

No. The feature is immediately locked if you don't have it. It directly says it

 

IMO raids are one of the best features in this update. They are REALLY fun to partake in. However, the player and level limit is annoying. I feel as though it'd be better if raids had player count and level scalings for difficulty like the Eye. a̶l̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶f̶a̶i̶r̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶b̶a̶b̶l̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶t̶o̶p̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶d̶o̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶5̶0̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶y̶o̶n̶ ̶c̶o̶l̶o̶s̶s̶u̶s̶

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yeah pets are pretty unbalanced and p2w not gonna lie

You do realise that if you want more people on your island there's a command called /housing public, right?

Yeah I would like if there was a housing neighborhood area

Would prefer if shops were for hero rank as well tbh