Hunted Arena, Bounty Boards & Pvp Balance (edited Balance Section)

Sciency · Jan 8, 2020

Agree, you can't expect someone to go from 20 to 2k dps and then still have people with 30k hp who regen 5k every 10 seconds.

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Theeef said: ↑

Just tested it, this is not the case. Taking damage immediately cancels your vanish.
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My bad, I play weathered primarily so I dodge most of the hits... When you get hit by an ice snake or something you get slowed down but it doesn't unvanish you. That being said, no damage is being taken then ;)

Theeef · Jan 8, 2020

Williamchan2002 said: ↑

The problem here is some build specialized in health regen (like guardian builds) they don't do enough damage to kill a player but they are also practically unkillable due to regaining 5000 health every 5 seconds. Therefore healing must be nerfed or it will affect the gameplay.
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Nah, I’m alright with health regen builds. It diversified the build options a player had available.

You yourself said these don’t do much damage so the easy counter is a heavy glass cannon.

I think it could be beneficial for the arena setup is if no one dies within the allotted time it goes to death match mode and each player has to use normal items.

BqwaOLD · Jan 8, 2020

Theeef said: ↑

Currently in Wynn the only real ways to make money are professions and loot running. In my opinion both are very grindy and quite as fun, as is the nature of MMORPGs. That's all well and good, but I'd like to be able to make money from PvP so I've proposed a few ideas here that could make that possible.

Suggestion #1: Balance Changes
PvP is currently very unbalanced, this is quite obvious. Currently PvP is the first person to attack dies, if you have high agility you basically win. Archer is kind of broken because you can do massive damage from a distance without ever taking any. Also intelligence is a bit meta because if you want to do damage you need to do spells, and you basically can't make a decent spell build without very high intelligence. It's been brought to my attention by @CountBurn that there's a lot of build balancing that could / would be required with PvP. The thing is right now we really don't know what is unbalanced for builds and what isn't, considering PvP lasts 5 seconds no matter what and no one tries it. These may not perfect the balance of PvP but they're a step in the right direction in my eyes. Here's some things I think could help either way. Oh also I tried to keep these very concise since there's a lot. If you have questions, ask me please I'm happy to explain.

Decrease final damage dealt to players by 90%. This will happen AFTER elemental defenses, regular defenses, etc. has been applied. Players spells are balanced around mobs, which have a lot more health than players. This change gives players more time to react and counter and isn't just whoever gets hit first loses.

Make untradeable items drop in hunted mode. They should drop on the ground, and not be able to be picked up by the enemy. The owner can pick them up only in hunted mode. This is so they can actually risk losing the item, which is necessary.

Make potions take longer to heal. They should heal once per second for like 10 (or more, GM's choice here) seconds. Taking or dealing damage will end the potions effects. This way potions can't be spammed in combat (this is good for PvE too), which makes fighting more meaningful and isn't just the last one with potions wins. With this, boss arenas should be changed to have more cover where you can heal, and overall just allow classes to use terrain to their advantage more in general.

Better telegraph where you can take cover and where you can't. Apparently it's unclear where people should be able to take cover sometimes, and they'll take damage even when it seems like they shouldn't while hiding. It also makes mage heal & tanks more valuable. Credit for this idea to @Francis12qwasyx

Nerf archer. It does too much damage (arrow storm & bomb) for such high survivability (escape and arrow shield), and it doesn't have to aim (arrow bomb). Shouldn't that be the whole point of archer?

These are just some things I think might be nice. If you vote for this suggestion, you are not voting for these although feel free to show your support in the comments.

Buff Strength & Defense.

I'm not personally a fan of skill points being correlated with elements. I feel it kind of limits the total amount of potential builds and forces the player to be less creative. This is not something I feel should be implemented because it would require changing a fuck ton of items and rebalancing a lot of gameplay, but I'll mention it anyways.

To make assassin's smokebomb more useful, maybe try this: While inside your smokebombs, you'll have invisibility for three seconds. This only goes away if you use a spell or damage something. You will not receive the vanish +80% damage. This now has usage in combat, since smokebomb is a better escape and now other classes can't just spam ice snake, arrow bomb, war scream, etc. to cancel assassin's vanish.

Suggestion #2: Hunter's Arena
Hunters will have access to a PvP Arena somewhere in Wynn. You could require a quest to introduce / unlock it or whatever, I don't particularly care. I'm writing this as if all of the players using the arena will be level 103+, but if a way can be found to allow all level ranges access then feel free. Anyways it would work like this

Every hour, a PvP Tournament setup will occur, with a 1 LE entry fee. Everyone from every world competes against each other. If you entered in WC1, you'd still face off with players who entered from other worlds. If you die in Hardcore mode in the arena, you will not lose your hardcore tag.

You fight other players in a tournament bracket. You do NOT lose any of your items in this tournament. The real reward is that the top 3 winners get emeralds. The minimum prize every time is minimum 1 LE for 3rd place, 2 LE for 2nd place, and 3 LE for 1st place. Even if only one person signs up, they get 3 LE. This would be overpowered, but the amount of players required to make up for the 6 LE payout is six players. I feel at least six players will be willing to sign up each tournament. The chance of free LE if not enough people sign up only encourages more people to enter.

If more than six players participate, are given to the winners, and the original base prizes are erased. 56% of the pool goes to 1st place, 28% goes to 2nd place, 14% goes to 3rd place. There's 2% left there, which should be deleted in my opinion. I feel that it could also be beneficial for 5% of the initial winnings to get deleted, just to take more emeralds out of the economy. p.s. for those who don't know, this helps combat inflation. So, if 20 people signed up for a tournament, that's 20 LE coming in. That's 81920 emeralds. If 5% of that gets deleted, then 2% of the remaining gets deleted that' leaves 76267 emeralds left, with 5653 (about 1.25 LE) getting deleted. That then gets distributed with the winner getting 42710 emeralds, or about 10 LE. With this, people can fight other hunters, money will go out of the economy to help inflation and it's got dynnaaaaamicc equillibrium so people will always be doing it.

For each round of combat the arena should change. They will have plenty of cover, tunnels, places to hide or try and work your way up to get an advantage on your opponent. They should be a size that allows them to run momentarily but won't keep them so far apart that they won't die, as you'll have a limited time to kill your opponent. Probably about 5 minutes although you could scale this based on how many people are participating in the tournament. Ideally this would take just under an hour, so there would still be time for them to sign up for the following tournament if they desired.

One last thing regarding class balance. There's two options I think could work. Allow people to use their own items, or offer players a specific build for various playstyles. Allow each player to choose from a variety of item sets temporarily for the fight such as spell builds, hybrid, heavy melee, poison builds, builds with various major IDs, etc. I'd prefer letting others use their own items and balancing accordingly, but this could be one way to avoid having to balance every single build combination.

Suggestion #3: Bounty Boards
I think it would be awesome if you could place bounties on a player. This system is not particularly long to explain so I'll try to do it quick.

Every player gets one bounty per day. You can put that bounty on a player, which will add a 10 EB prize to their head. If you desire you can choose to add extra LE to a bounty. If your bounty expires, you will get the emeralds back. Multiple players can add bounty a player, so if 4 people bounty one player that will be a 40 EB bounty reward.

A bounty expires after 24 hours. If a player bounties someone and they aren't killed within 24 hours it goes away. If one player bounties someone, someone else bounties the same person 12 hours later, and then the original person bounties that person again once theirs renews, the bounty will not reset (since there's no period where there isn't a bounty on the player). However, the new bounty would still only be 20 EB since the original bounty expired (decreasing the bounty by 10 EB), but then increased by 10 EB again once the bounty was reapplied.

Every minute the bountied player spends in Hunted mode in an unsafe area, their bounty will go up by 5 emeralds (perhaps 1 emerald if they're unsafe on a hardcore class) per bounty placed on them. If there are 5 bounties on you, your bounty cost will increase by 25 emeralds per minute.

You can pay 1 LE to claim someones bounty. When you do this, you will be notified every time the player leaves and enters hunted mode, and will be able to track their position. This is both to be used as a money sink (multiple people tracking, only 1 gets the prize), and so that people can't amass huge bounties just by hiding and then have them claimed by their friends.

If it wasn't obvious yet, once you kill someone with a bounty, all of their bounties go away and you can get all of the emeralds that had accumulated.

Suggestion #4: Hunted Loot Quality
Add loot quality bonus to hunted mode. Fairly simple, this makes it so that richer players will use hunted mode while loot running, so hunted players have other people to target and can gain some money off of it. Higher risk for higher reward.

Alright, that's it for my hunted thread. If for the most part you agree with a suggestion vote for it in the poll. Please tell me your thoughts in the comments, thanks.
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Nice suggestion! I'd like to add 1 to the first part. Make sure that hunteds can only use untradable items while doing the quest, or make it so they drop once they have finished said quest.

Theeef · Jan 8, 2020

Bowajility said: ↑

Nice suggestion! I'd like to add 1 to the first part. Make sure that hunteds can only use untradable items while doing the quest, or make it so they drop once they have finished said quest.
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Um, no? Players should still be able to use unreadable items as they can be great in builds. I’m just saying they should drop because currently they don’t and it’s unfair.

BqwaOLD · Jan 8, 2020

Theeef said: ↑

Um, no? Players should still be able to use unreadable items as they can be great in builds. I’m just saying they should drop because currently they don’t and it’s unfair.
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Sorry, I misspoke. I meant about quest items. There is a difference but they don't drop either do they? I'm saying that the item should be non-droppable, because otherwise we could just continuously /fixquests. I'm saying that the item should only be able to be used in that area of the quest to prevent the previous issue.

Theeef · Jan 8, 2020

Bowajility said: ↑

Sorry, I misspoke. I meant about quest items. There is a difference but they don't drop either do they? I'm saying that the item should be non-droppable, because otherwise we could just continuously /fixquests. I'm saying that the item should only be able to be used in that area of the quest to prevent the previous issue.
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Quest items should never drop. I have no problem with quest items being used in a build because any quest items that would be used in a build are pretty bad.

Theeef · Jan 11, 2020

It's bump time. Enjoy the thread spam.

Theeef · Jan 20, 2020

Bumping these

Theeef · Jul 14, 2020

I'm back bitches. Bumping this because I still want.

Theeef · Jul 23, 2020

Watch your step guys, this big bumps in our way.

Theeef · Aug 6, 2020

Bumping this ig

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