Game Design Shaman Has 50 Less Weapons Than Every Other Class And Apparently It's Intended

of which:
76 rare reliks vs 89 rare bows
105 unique reliks vs 137 unique bow

xavier also confirmed that its intended


its an incredibly stupid decision because yes all combos get weapons but you could make 50 extra options and theres literally no reason not to add them

thank you

 

Maybe the goal was just a compromise? Like they wanted to add more but they didn't have time and they'll be adding more later. That's the one explanation I can think of.

 

Look man, I hate to be that guys but:

 

It's an incredibly stupid behavior to say a decision is stupid because someone said that he did what we asked him to do and that he doesn't know if something will be added in the future because, OF COURSE, he is not the one who decide what is added or not.

Kids this days ...

Damn I hate these people who change a sentence into something else and just shit onto people's work. Honestly I'm the borderline to just insult you. But this doesn't even deserve my creativity ...

EDIT : And just in case you're going to answer "Man you don't get a joke". Tips for you : It's not funny when it touches to other's work.

 

This is exactly it. That's what Xavier is referring to when he is saying that they "had a goal and met it". More reliks will be added with time, just like every other class got new items during the years. Remember, the other classes have been around for a little bit more than 6 years. For how long has Shaman been around?

 

nah its intentional, we had a conversation about it its just my thread isnt very clear at all
its because they want to get rid of loot chest exclusive items apparently (shaman has 1 vs 60something for other classes) but its the worst way of doing it since it doesnt fix the problem and just fucks over 1 class in particular
im not saying getting rid of chest exclusives is a bad idea but rather that shaman feels very poor in terms of items and building compared to everything else

 

In that case I agree with you. Shaman's weapons are fairly scarse (per my own experience) and I find it hard to believe that the ceiling of the reasonable amount of reliks has been reached already.

 

it's shaman supposed to be more difficult?

 

what

 

shaman is more difficult, having less weapons makes it more difficult...

because it's supposed to be difficult

 

It is supposed to be more difficult in that it is harder to master from a mechanic standpoint, not from an artificial standpoint of it having less variety in the weapons it can use. If anything, more variety in weapons allows for more fluctuation of this skill floor and ceiling due to the various playstyles, or variations of already existing playstyles, that require certain skills more than others to be used effectively.

 

Although the variety of weapons for other classes is nice, I think this is a completely fine decision to make.
When's the last time you used Fog of Creation or Awakening? What about Firestarter? (apologies to anyone who uses those weapons btw)

Less weapons to balance means more well-defined playstyles.
With the new update alone, problem children like Overdrive already exist (due to excessive IDs, but that trend is another problem entirely). However, the item team can identify and fix those problems for Shaman much more easily because of a lack of "filler" weapons that are irrelevant.

You also see lower level shaman rares/legendaries getting the spotlight because they have unique designs.

Too many uniques are worse versions of rares, but that's not seen nearly as much, if ever, in Reliks.

 

ok guys, let's think about this for a second, with a calm, level head? alright?

shaman was released... when? oh! right! VERY RECENTLY

and all the other classes were released... when? oh! right! NOT VERY RECENTLY

all the extra updates and patches that the other classes have endured probably added a fair share of new weapons to the class, a process which shaman has not undergone.

i would assume the item team has a quota of items to make for the new class before it is released, and the quota is the same for all classes, but more weapons have been added to the other classes over time

i would also assume that later on, new reliks will be added! stunning revelations, i know

 

read the thread and the replies please

 

That's not a problem with the number of items, that's a problem with the balance of uniques and rares.

 

The lack of variety in the uniques and rares of other classes is why I don't think of shaman having less items as a problem.

 

The reason for shaman weapon variety in the endgame seems to basically be because Xavier decided if uniques aren't allowed to be good they can at least look cool. That doesn't preclude more weapons.

 

Bro its a new class just wait a little bit gonna be a lot of new weapons soon cmon

 

no there isnt thats why this thread exists

 

So you gonna tell me that this was the last update where items got added? Ofc not bro they add new items a lot ofc there wil be new items for every class always