Game Design The Three Big Issues I Have With Wynncraft Right Now

Aya · Apr 27, 2019

rainbow_elite_7 said: ↑

I personally believe it could be really difficult to execute as the builders would have to create individual areas for all 5 elements + Neutral and this would have to occur on more than a single occasion in EACH level boundary from levels 1-5, 6-10, 11-15 etc. which for areas like the wynn plains and ocean that's all fine and good but what about Molten Heights or the nessak forest? Where environments are extreme to the point that elements like earth or fire shouldn't really be there in the slightest and wouldn't make sense. Furthermore I dread to think of the pain that the builders would have to go through making over 200 elemental areas just so that specific gear can occur in those places , only for the wynncraft map to look like it has caught a fever of rainbow chicken pox when the builders could instead work on refining old quests which need updating (Yeah that EotS question was a joke earlier lol) and developing more on the Road to Dern update which was tossed out the window because someone on the CT thought a better update would be for us to left click crops for 80 hours instead of a gigantic area with new and fascinating lore (Priority 100)
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That problem is easily fixed by getting more builders into the team
Where to find them however is another issue
And while I can see this being a problem, I prefer some quality content with a cool reward over more areas with generic mobs and nothing new at all aside from your usual bit of lore (with generic mobs I mean your usual group of normal dudes that are just there to make the area threatening)
As you said, we would all prefer a massive new area with lots of lore and cool stuff over chopping down a few thousand trees, so why not grant the player a powerful item for overcoming a really difficult challenge? I'm not saying something in the size of a dungeon, I'm saying something short yet challenging enough to make the reward feel balanced

Lunar Charm said: ↑

Lets say it takes ten minutes to find an obelisk of inversion. There’s also a 20% chance of getting an obelisk core from it. That means 1 drop every 50 minutes. This means if I play for 40 hours a week I’d get 48 drops. Lets say I sell them for 2500 emeralds. That’s roughly 29.4 LE a week. In a month I’d make 1.83 Stacks. However, there are two problems with that. First, that’s almost 6 months of work to buy a weathered at its lowest price, and possibly more considering inflation. Second, and much more importantly, that’s not fun. 40 hours a week on a tedius grind is a job. I do not play this game to have a job, I play it because I want to have fun. I, and most other people, do not have the time or the willpower to play 40 hours a week.

Likewise, assuming it takes, on average, two hours to level up a gathering profession once after level 50, that’s 80 hours to be able to gather the highest level items for one profession without the use of bombs, and 20 assuming you do. For one profession. You need two to get into a crafting profession, so that’s 1-4 weeks depending on bombs assuming a 40 hour week, which most people can’t do. And that’s after level 50; including all levels below would probably add another 20 hours for each profession, or another 40 hour week. All of this is just a barrier to entry; to create and sell items, you either need to spend more time gathering and crafting, or more money buying ingredients. Either way, you lose more time trying to craft items to sell.

ALL of this is for a single item, mind you. It’s tedius, time consuming, and unhealthy for both the game and the consumer to force that much effort for so little reward. It’s also not fun, which is the reason I play this game. I want to use mythics, not play the lottery or a second job.

To put it in perspective, I’ll use Destiny 2 as an example, since it’s the closest game to Wynn that I play a lot. In D2, I get from random drops, on average, two exotics a week just from playing 20 hours a week. Most don’t even require you to actively grind for them, and the ones that do don’t require RNG for the most part. Exotics are essentially as powerful as mythics, and potentially more so, since they don’t come with randomly rolled stats and are thus guaranteed to be at its most powerful. And not only are there guaranteed ways to obtain some exotics, but it’s relatively easy to obtain all of them, even the ones that do drop randomly, because the developers recognize that using exotics and experimenting freely with them is more fun than trying to grind for them for weeks on end.
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Lunar Charm said: ↑

Except we already have this in at least some form; Dungeon and Boss altar items don’t drop anywhere else in the game, and are guaranteed or extremely common drops from their respective areas.

Mythics, in fact, are the ONLY item tier that doesn’t have this sort of pathway to obtain them, besides the mythical armor, which actively encourages mindless grinding of chests instead of playing the game. It’s not fun for the player to lock the most powerful gear behind a .0007% chance without giving any pathway to obtain them besides “click on chest or resource node for six months to maybe get one”. It’s not difficult or engaging, and doesn’t make me want to play more or drive me to succeed like, say, Destiny 2’s exotic quests, which usually require both a grind and a completion of a challenging activity without any RNG. It’s just tedius, and actively pushes both me and other players away from the game because chances are only the players who act like this game is their second job have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting a mythic from the slot machine.

Can there be mythics that just drop randomly in the loot pool? Sure. But that shouldn’t be the ONLY way to obtain Mythics, as it is currently, because that’s just not fun.
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bessons-flowers said: ↑

I agree with basically everything you said.
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FluxifiedGod1 said: ↑

i agree with all of this
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YoshisWorld said: ↑

i agree
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That doesn't add much to the thread at all tho...

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Also, I've added a poll so people can put their vote on what they think needs reworking (if you agree on 2 things but not on all 3, just vote the 2 of them option, I would make a combination for each if it was convenient and possible to begin with)

robincaiye · Apr 28, 2019

Aya said: ↑

That doesn't add much to the thread at all tho...
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Well basically we see what you presented in the suggestion viable and acceptable

Tealy · May 23, 2019

My thought on reworking Bob has always been the same.
Change his swords into 4 weapons. The Dern skins of the Bow, Dagger, Wand and Spear, and make those use the spells that class does.
(Bow uses arrow storm, Wand uses Heal/Teleport, etc)

And make Bob have 4 phases, specializing in its weapons, and using (possibly unique) 'powered up' versions of the spells. For example with the Spear, while the Floating Spear may use Charge, Bob may use Heavy Charge and perhaps a unique War Scream spell.

That's just my idea, and I think it would act much better as a final boss of Wynn, bringing the story full circle.

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Game Design The Three Big Issues I Have With Wynncraft Right Now

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